Mic09 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, choffer said: I'm not saying they are perfect, @Mic09 but aI've had BBC news on in the background for much of the last week and all the things you're saying are missing from their reporting have all been covered repeatedly. They are regularly updating from around the world and have boots on the ground in most countries. I've seen reports from all the majorly impacted countries and countless experts telling us how important an issue it is, giving advice on the urgency of self-isolation, updates on scientific research and calling out nob heads who aren't behaving. There's lots to criticise the BBC for but I think you're wide of the mark on this one. Go watch RT for 20 minutes and see if you think they're doing a good job. The times I've looked this weekend, COVID-19 isn't even their lead story. Well, I'm originally from Poland and maybe I compare the BBC to the Polish media too much. So you could be right in comparing the BBC to other UK based media. While my 'go to media' in the UK is the BBC, Polish news platforms (national and private) have been much more 'on it'. Every few minutes there is an update on numbers both diagnosed and deaths, and that is reflective in how people in the country have reacted to the pandemic. In UK, we have over 3k cases confirmed and there are people roaming the streets. I think that they are simply poorly advised about the scale of all this and how it can affect them. EDIT: that is why I supported the PM when he said 'many people will lose their loved ones before their time'. It's time to make people aware sh*t is real. Edited March 23, 2020 by Mic09 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted March 23, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Mic09 said: I think that they are simply poorly advised about the scale on these things. Can’t argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mic09 said: While my 'go to media' in the UK is the BBC, Polish news platforms (national and private) have been much more 'on it'. Every few minutes there is an update on numbers both diagnosed and deaths, and that is reflective in how people in the country have reacted to the pandemic. Yeah every 30 mins on Zlote Przeboje (I am not 60 years old I promise ) Edited March 23, 2020 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Yeah every 30 mins on Zloty Przeboje (I am not 60 years old I promise ) Nothing wrong with a bit of Perfekt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Radio 5 man just said something like "I think question time is actually better without the audience because you don't have all the whooping and hollering" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Quote Can you compare the UK with Italy? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52530918 I'm going to go with yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Quote Explainers Coronavirus: How might lockdown end and what will be the 'new normal'? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518 Same as the old normal I'm guessing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Quote Coronavirus: Will we ever shake hands again? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52506079 A. Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Quote Full Story To snitch or not to snitch: The lockdown dilemma https://www.bbc.co.uk/news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 It's just breitbart now isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Quote Must See VIDEO VIDEO Lockdown life: What's going on behind every door? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news What's it to you state media? I'm guessing crying over the state of bbc journalism won't be one of the things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) Thats a hell of a leap. You are looking for shadows where there aren’t any. This is a about bias that doesn't appear to exist in these reports. Edited May 7, 2020 by Seat68 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Thats a hell of a leap. You are looking for shadows where there aren’t any. This is a about bias that doesn't appear to exist in these reports. Conditioning of the mind to me. As far as the stasi bit goes, yeah it was supposed to be provocative. So, see how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Or are you not understanding the point I'm attempting to make about fear being used against people? The lack of files when it crumbled etc? I didn't say ss or kgb for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Not a fan of the BBC then @VILLAMARV? I'm in the camp that the licence fee should be scrapped and it converted into a voluntary subscription service like Netflix/Amazon Prime. Instead of a forced taxation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Xela said: Not a fan of the BBC then @VILLAMARV? Lol. 1 minute ago, Xela said: I'm in the camp that the licence fee should be scrapped and it converted into a voluntary subscription service like Netflix/Amazon Prime. Instead of a forced taxation. It's genuinely painful to me to see it stoop so low. I used to hold it in high regard. Perhaps that's my fault, perception wise, rather than theirs. We have the Murdoch scum thread where remembering the awful homophobia and outright lies of the past is de-rigeur. I don't see how this rubbish is any better than the output of the S*n. Genuinely. I think allowing/encouraging it to operate in the world of profit has reduced it to levels where clickbait headlines like those, designed to drag you in with outrage, is ok because it generates interaction or 'clicks' and that's the holy grail. What, ultimately, do the views of a few Brits matter though, if it can operate as a voice of reason in the internet age towards or within the American market? There's 323 million + of them. And the boiled frog analogy applies here imho. I must have said before in this thread I think we can trace it's demise back to the time Thatcher was broadsided on question time. When it was still live of course and when it still meant something. Has anyone ever thought about applying to be allowed in the audience for one of those things? The things they want to know and record in the name of balance are quite eye watering to someone of my sensibilities. Someone I know asked a question on there once. That's a different story, but what is the point in pre approved questions? People think Piers Morgan is a good journalist for asking a politician a question? They should go back to the Robin Day era. It's always had 'oversight' from the Lords. I get that. But it's a sad imitation of what it represented 30/40 years ago. Embedded journalism is a thing and we built a whole industry around it, including the teaching of state approved media studies in schools and universities in my era. Rageh Omaar cottoned on during the gulf war II. His opinion of being embedded without realising it was, I think, rather telling of the state it finds itself in. The famous Noam Chomsky interview with Andrew Marr from back in the day also highlights this point. Imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Only2McInallys Posted May 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, Xela said: Not a fan of the BBC then @VILLAMARV? I'm in the camp that the licence fee should be scrapped and it converted into a voluntary subscription service like Netflix/Amazon Prime. Instead of a forced taxation. I don’t agree for many reasons. The BBC is far from perfect but what other broadcaster makes high quality comedy programmes ,great dramas etc great arts programmes brilliant radio stations radio 4,2,5 and 6 music, local radio stations for £160 a year. It makes a lot of crap as well . I want a broadcaster to make programmes that aren’t all about viewing figures. Although it’s polical coverage can be critised for me in the Brexit debate it was critised by both sides and that is a sign it’s not doing too bad. Amazon Prime -what a load of crap for £80 a year -no thanks. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 7, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, VILLAMARV said: It's just breitbart now isn't it? No. One thing I've noticed (and there's an example in the virus thread) is they "cater" (the Beeb I mean) for a wide range of people. So the example in the virus thread is the Newsnight man doing a lot of stuff on care home horrors. And then you get the website questions you posted - stuff to which the answer is "Durrr!". I think they're catering for casual tabloidy internet browser people o nthe one hand, and broadsheety type Newsnight viewers on a different level. You or I might not like it and wish that they just did the in depth, authoritative, critical stuff. But others will never watch newsnight, or clips of it, and just "consume" low rent click and leave articles. There's an argument to say the beeb should leave that area to the tabloids and their websites, I suppose, and just do serious stuff. Comparing the BBC to Breitbart is (and no offence intended) **** moronic. And to be less flippant, it still scores highly on Trust, higher than all the other news outlets. And that excludes all the nature, sport, music, culture, comedy, drama, radio, Kids stuff, science... Their news coverage is to me, mixed at best. But whose isn't? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Only2McInallys said: I don’t agree for many reasons. The BBC is far from perfect but what other broadcaster makes high quality comedy programmes ,great dramas etc great arts programmes brilliant radio stations radio 4,2,5 and 6 music, local radio stations for £160 a year. It makes a lot of crap as well . I want a broadcaster to make programmes that aren’t all about viewing figures. Although it’s polical coverage can be critised for me in the Brexit debate it was critised by both sides and that is a sign it’s not doing too bad. Amazon Prime -what a load of crap for £80 a year -no thanks. That's fair enough, people will have different opinions on it and that's cool. You' d pay for it and by the sound of it, you'd pay more than £160 per year. I wouldn't. The TV they make is ok. Agreed some great dramas every now and again (love Luther, Line of Duty and Sherlock). Comedy? The odd gem here and there, plenty of shit made as well. I'm not fussed on the radio side as I never listen to it. Most of its primetime TV shows are just dross like Strictly, the Voice and other z-listers trying to boost their own profile or endless repeats of quiz shows like Pointless. If it went to voluntary subscription, i'd dip in and out it every few months like I do with other services. How much would you pay a year for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted May 7, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Xela said: How much would you pay a year for it? I think that's (in the big picture) the wrong question. Of course you can ask someone how much is it worth to you? - but I mean there's loads of stuff paid for by general taxation or by some specific charge, that people don't use. If everything is broken down to pay as you go, everything withers. Libraries with their brail books are big for the partially sighted, schools for those with kids, hospitals for the sick... You might not watch the beeb, or listen to their radio, or look at their internet now. But you did when you were younger - the kids TV, the schools programming, the science stuff they show that's picked up by schools and Universities. The radio and TV news that drives (as well as follows) the "agenda". The consumer programmes that drive out crooks and fraudsters. The Presenters that learn on local TV or radio and go on to work for BT sport, or Sky or Netflix... How to fund it is a good question, and the License fee will get overtaken by technology for TV. Not sure how that will affect radio and internet etc. But ultimately I think what I'm trying to say is the BBC benefits everyone at some point in their lives, and making it pay monthly or whatever will kill it. It needs to be at least core funded by the state. SO what you or I would pay is neither here nor there. the 14 quid a month is an absolute bargain for me. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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