Popular Post blandy Posted March 18, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: You may not be a Tommy robinson fan but watch this sums up the bbc Dem, the thing is, propaganda films from convicted criminals - (Fraud, wife beating, multiple assaults, contempt of court etc.) are about the absolute least honest, trustworthy thing you could use as a source of unbiased information, far worse than national broadcasters operating under OFCOM's rules. It's bonkers to even contemplate doing that. Why you'd want to even put that video on is beyond me - you're a lovely, kind bloke, I know. His poison is no valid comment or source of data, it's self promoting, "I'm the victim here" garbage of the worst kind. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Is this because of Javert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted March 18, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 Also given YouTube's algorithm, one watch of Robinson and you'll be sent down the rabbit hole of all the other alt right words removed. And then the world starts looking very different. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 'A big, fat pain' 'Prepare to chuck spanners if he sees fit' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted March 18, 2019 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: 'A big, fat pain' 'Prepare to chuck spanners if he sees fit' Its there in plain sight for all to see, again and again, time after time It's up there with "And today we visit *insert very high leave voting area* to see what people (read: retired or unemployed people) think of the current state of Brexit." I've never once heard them go to a large metropolitan area that voted to remain or interview people who might actually have a job. It gives the impression that everyone is a leave voter and remain voters hide when the BBC is doing a Vox Pop. I mean the other week they went to the inbreeding capital of NW England (St Helens) and they interviewed pensioners at a community centre and some young lads in a pub at lunchtime (midweek). They asked some VERY leading questions and then tried to put is across as representative of Merseyside 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted March 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 On the matter of Yaxley-Lennon, I won't be watching the video, not because 'I can't handle the truth', but because if there's a single thing in it worth knowing it will be told somewhere else by someone who isn't a convicted fraudster and fascist thug, and if there isn't, well I won't have missed anything will I. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 11 hours ago, blandy said: Dem, the thing is, propaganda films from convicted criminals - (Fraud, wife beating, multiple assaults, contempt of court etc.) are about the absolute least honest, trustworthy thing you could use as a source of unbiased information, far worse than national broadcasters operating under OFCOM's rules. It's bonkers to even contemplate doing that. Why you'd want to even put that video on is beyond me - you're a lovely, kind bloke, I know. His poison is no valid comment or source of data, it's self promoting, "I'm the victim here" garbage of the worst kind. Can I just verify, I am not a tommy Robinson supporter. My point was one instance of what the bbc have done. The point was how many others could the bbc have done this to, innocent people. The pint was bbc were corrupt. Like I said I am not a Robinson fan I think he designates hatred and it’s pathetic and that’s why we are seeing right wing stupidness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 19, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Can I just verify, I am not a tommy Robinson supporter. My point was one instance of what the bbc have done. The point was how many others could the bbc have done this to, innocent people. The pint was bbc were corrupt. Like I said I am not a Robinson fan I think he designates hatred and it’s pathetic and that’s why we are seeing right wing stupidness. People sharing shite like that or anything else that Yaxley-Lennon puts out are why we are seeing right-wing stupidness. In fact I'm seeing right-wing stupidness because you put it on here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bickster said: People sharing shite like that or anything else that Yaxley-Lennon puts out are why we are seeing right-wing stupidness. In fact I'm seeing right-wing stupidness because you put it on here I am not sure if that was directed at me but if it wss can you show me where I have done this? Edited March 19, 2019 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Jesus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 19, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I am not sure if that was directed at me but if it wss can you show me where I have done this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, blandy said: Yeah my post was about the bbc not what Tommy robinson represents. I've never once said I support what he says or does.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: My point was one instance of what the bbc have done. The point was how many others could the bbc have done this to, innocent people. The pint was bbc were corrupt. Seeing as most(all) of us are unlikely to watch the video it is hard to comment. As you've pointed out. I can see how to some that might seem a bit blinkered. However we have our reasons and they are clearly stated. We've found something we can agree to disagree on. But if there IS a point and we're letting our prejudice cloud our reason, then I can't help thinking there's an opportunity in what HV said, regardless of whether the video gets clicks or not or whether anyone does or doesn't support Y-L and his band of thugs. 12 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: if there's a single thing in it worth knowing it will be told somewhere else by someone who isn't a convicted fraudster and fascist thug I assume that's you Dem and this is somewhere else.... What was it in there that you felt added to the debate on BBC bias? What have they "done"? What is it that innocent people need to be wary of the BBC doing to them? How were/are they corrupt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 One of the failings of the BBC is that it takes the press too seriously, in particular following whatever nonsense they have decided is the news story of the day. The Today programme, with its rigid and outdated schedule, has a "what the papers say" slot which looks at the print versions and the relative space they give to stories, as they might have in the days when their presenters did their basic newsroom training sometime last century. Oddly, today they led with the Huffington Post, yet the mindset of being led by the printed press's determination of what's important remains. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 19, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Yeah my post was about the bbc not what Tommy robinson represents. I've never once said I support what he says or does.... I know you don't remotely support his "cause", yet nevertheless, you "shared" (by posting it to a messageboard) Yaxley-Bellend's video. And so lots of other people could now look at it. That's how "sharing" works. You took a video, posted by a racist dickhead criminal who makes all sorts of claims of being victimised and silenced and slurred by the main stream media, in part to make himself money - it's a one sided diatribe from a crook and you used it to criticise the BBC... for being a bit biased (or setting him up in his language). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, blandy said: I know you don't remotely support his "cause", yet nevertheless, you "shared" (by posting it to a messageboard) Yaxley-Bellend's video. And so lots of other people could now look at it. That's how "sharing" works. You took a video, posted by a racist dickhead criminal who makes all sorts of claims of being victimised and silenced and slurred by the main stream media, in part to make himself money - it's a one sided diatribe from a crook and you used it to criticise the BBC... for being a bit biased (or setting him up in his language). Yeah but my original point was that the bbc are corrupt. I'm not going to force anyone to watch him. No one has to I get that he is a horrible horrible person with his hatred and racist views against Muslims. However its not opinions in this video there is tonnes of evidence that the BBC set out to destroy him by making things up, setting him up. Whether he deserves that is a separate debate which I don't have a interest in as I couldn't care less about him. My point is whether it's Tommy robinson, or the Baker down the street the lengths the bbc will go to to destroy someone. They can do that to anyone. That's my point. There are probably many more instances of other people who are not a rocket polisher like Tommy robinson. They are proper and utterly corrupt as we all knew anyway but the video shows how far they went to. Edited March 19, 2019 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 how far they went to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 19, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, VILLAMARV said: how far they went to what? Well if the small clip I saw is anything to go by, you never see the interviewer and the subtitles go over the person speaking because it's a "Covert video" from an "undercover reporter." seemed plausible for about half a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yeah but my original point was that the bbc are corrupt. I'm not going to force anyone to watch him. No one has to I get that he is a horrible horrible person with his hatred and racist views against Muslims. However its not opinions in this video there is tonnes of evidence that the BBC set out to destroy him by making things up, setting him up. Whether he deserves that is a separate debate which I don't have a interest in as I couldn't care less about him. My point is whether it's Tommy robinson, or the Baker down the street the lengths the bbc will go to to destroy someone. They can do that to anyone. That's my point. There are probably many more instances of other people who are not a rocket polisher like Tommy robinson. They are proper and utterly corrupt as we all knew anyway but the video shows how far they went to. The 'original point' is not being served by the video though. There is no reason for me to assume that a man who has been convicted of a crime of honesty (mortgage fraud) is honestly presenting his argument. There is no reason for me to believe that he is being honest about anything; dishonesty is an even bigger part of his character than racism is. If he is being misrepresented by the BBC in some meaningful way, then no he doesn't 'deserve' that, in the sense that nobody 'deserves' to be lied about in the media (though he's hardly a sympathetic victim). However, he is the absolute least likely person to persuade me of that case, and I'm certainly not going to pay him or promote his content (which is what accessing his video is). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Sometimes with the BBC I see a headline that I feel I can answer in either one word or one sentence. Todays offering Quote Why are Venezuelans seeking refuge in crypto-currencies? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47553048 Because the international community has been crushing their economy for 20odd years? Also I like the image it conjures up of a little man hiding in a bitcoin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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