Racism Part two

[StefanAVFC]

Looking forward to somebody telling a little old lady with a Breast Cancer awareness ribbon that 'all cancers matter' next.

[Keyblade]

2 hours ago, Chindie said:

There's a US tutor who does racism awareness seminars for white people. She started doing them in the UK, but had to stop as over here we simply didn't accept what was being taught and got bogged down in debates that Americans wouldn't view as anything but racist.

Edit

That kinda thing.

The only way I can imagine somebody getting like that is through being very privileged. Not even just talking about race, she sounds like those rich, private school educated types. Not to dissimilar to the PM tbh.

[chrisp65]

5 hours ago, Keyblade said:

The only way I can imagine somebody getting like that is through being very privileged. Not even just talking about race, she sounds like those rich, private school educated types. Not to dissimilar to the PM tbh.

Or reading a newspaper for ten, twenty, thirty, forty years.

[sharkyvilla]

6 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Agreed. It’s a song lyric, I don’t for one minute think we’re the least racist. Far from it

I'm a bit of a racist but I struggle to think of many countries that don't have a racism problem at least as bad as ours, certainly across Europe.

[LondonLax]

8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

It's definitely not 'the least racist' either.

I often hear this but which country is the least racist?

 

[Keyblade]

19 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Or reading a newspaper for ten, twenty, thirty, forty years.

Not necessarily her views but her flippant and pompous attitude. There's one thing being like those MAGA folks in the Daily Show clip a couple of pages back, ignorant, conditioned by decades of overt propaganda etc. She seems like someone who just doesn't care and quite annoyed that these people are getting too uppity for her liking more than anything.

[magnkarl]

6 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Aha, hadn't heard that before. Who's is that?

At the very end he added some very potent lyrics which I don't think he considered was going to be so fitting now half a year later. The least racist bit is a dig at people who keep saying the UK is so much 'better' than many other countries. It's a cop out so that we don't have to deal with our own issues but rather focus on how bad the US or Poland\Hungary is.

Edited June 23, 2020 by magnkarl

[Seat68]

15 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

At the very end he added some very potent lyrics which I don't think he considered was going to be so fitting now half a year later. The least racist bit is a dig at people who keep saying the UK is so much 'better' than many other countries. It's a cop out so that we don't have to deal with our own issues but rather focus on how bad the US or Poland\Hungary is.

Not a week goes by without me returning to Youtube to watch this performance. 

[Stevo985]

7 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Agreed. It’s a song lyric, I don’t for one minute think we’re the least racist. Far from it

An extra bit that Dave added to “Black” that he performed at the Brits this year

 

Edit: beaten to it. But it’s an incredible performance and very pertinent at the moment

Edited June 23, 2020 by Stevo985

[El Zen]

2 hours ago, LondonLax said:

I often hear this but which country is the least racist?

 

Norway. Norwegians are superior in every way. 
 

[Demitri_C]

Im sorry but this is a absolutely pointless debate which country is least racist. How do you measure something like that?

I think there is racism everywhere no matter where you go.  For me its what steps are being taken to combat it.

Racism will always exist while people are judged /talking about their skin colour. 

[magnkarl]

10 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Im sorry but this is a absolutely pointless debate which country is least racist. How do you measure something like that?

I think there is racism everywhere no matter where you go.  For me its what steps are being taken to combat it.

Racism will always exist while people are judged /talking about their skin colour. 

That is the point of the lyric. When you get into a comparing match with nations you have no control over the issue is lost. A lot like a bunch of old men complaining that they lost some badly written comedy show off their iplayer due to blackface, rather than actually understanding why blackface is not to be tolerated anymore.

Deal with what's in front of you rather than what may come in 2 years or what is happening in a 'more racist' country. The things you can affect and pressure for the better.

Edited June 23, 2020 by magnkarl

[LondonLax]

2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Im sorry but this is a absolutely pointless debate which country is least racist. How do you measure something like that?

I think there is racism everywhere no matter where you go.  For me its what steps are being taken to combat it.

Racism will always exist while people are judged /talking about their skin colour. 

I think it is a universal human instinct to make assumptions and judgments on any new situation  by drawing on (incomplete) knowledge from our previous experiences.

We need to continuously be mindful to override that instinct as it can so often lead us to make a poor judgment. 

[snowychap]

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[Brumerican]

3 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Or reading a newspaper for ten, twenty, thirty, forty years.

And after that a second newspaper.

[HanoiVillan]

3 hours ago, LondonLax said:

I often hear this but which country is the least racist?

I think @magnkarl makes a good argument as to why we shouldn't get bogged down in specific comparisons here, so I'll just say 'one that didn't have an incredibly brutal empire and didn't spend the last ten years 'accidentally' deporting a lot of minority citizens'.

[tonyh29]

3 hours ago, LondonLax said:

I often hear this but which country is the least racist?

 

Not directly answering the question , but there was a EU survey about "how would you fell if your child was in a relationship with someone who is ..... "

For Black people  ,  Czechia ,Slovakia & Bulgaria seemed to come out top as the most intolerant ( for other races and religions )  ..the EU average was 64% said they would feel comfortable  , the UK was in the top section along with Sweden , Denmark & Netherlands

tellingly when the question was "Muslim"  , the average dropped to 50% and Europe turned somewhat pink , but the UK was still in the top echelons for tolerance in all the questions

This data was collected before the Brexit vote when we all turned racist overnight  but as a snapshot of Europe at its quite interesting  , though not exactly scientific

 

Back in 2015, the European Commission asked people from all 28 EU member states this very question about

interracial couples, among several others, and compiled the resulting data to produce a surprisingly damning report

[mjmooney]

I would be concerned if my daughter said she was marrying a practicing Muslim. Exactly the same as I would if she was marrying a practicing Catholic, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, etc. That's not racism, that's my well-known antipathy to religion. If the choice was between her marrying a black, socialist atheist or a white, churchgoing Tory, I'd favour the black guy all day long. 

 

[Xann]

4 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

This data was collected before the Brexit vote when we all turned racist overnight 

 

[Brumerican]

2 hours ago, mjmooney said:

I would be concerned if my daughter said she was marrying a practicing Muslim. Exactly the same as I would if she was marrying a practicing Catholic, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, etc. That's not racism, that's my well-known antipathy to religion. If the choice was between her marrying a black, socialist atheist or a white, churchgoing Tory, I'd favour the black guy all day long. 

 

As long as he is Villa.