sharkyvilla Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I just think the name itself Black Lives Matter is a bit clumsy and easily hijackable and using the alternative slogans of All/White Lives Matter can get traction on social media especially, while they all completely miss the point (either purposely or through ignorance) it seems to entrench people further into their corner of the political spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted June 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I'll be honest and say I don't really agree with the sentiment in that post . .. In a thread about ignorance , tolerance and removing stereotyping , it seems wrong to then stereotype the English I don't mean to speak for another poster, and he can correct me if I'm misinterpreting, but I didn't take that post as being about 'the English'; rather, it seems to me to about 'the (sadly very common) type of Englishperson who believes that 'we' are the good guys because 'we' won World War 2 and have no interest in learning anything else'. Clearly lots of people born in England fit Type 1 without fitting Type 2. 13 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: This country is a multi cultural society and lots of people actively embrace things like Diwali , Eid , Notting Hill , Chinese new year I have to say, that is not my experience of how most white Brits talk about those festivals. Try reading the comments of a local paper (especially in the East Midlands) around the time of Eid or Diwali and you won't find a deep well of tolerance, excitement and understanding. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: yep , i had that one from friends in a WhatsApp group ... pointed out , not only do they wear a shirt with a poppy on it , it is then sold off after the match to raise money for charity , been going on for years ..not one word back Even my "Yay , its back comment" on Facebook yesterday , first reply " What the **** were those clowns doing on their knees????" These are friends who I grew up with , they aren't Britain first Nazi types , they are just from that era and their occasional casual racism comment has sort of been a way of life to them , but both these comments go way way beyond that ... I'm not the sort who is going to go around defriending people because they don't agree with taking a knee but there comes a point when you realise you've outgrown some old friends I've said for a while that people naturally don't like being told how they live is wrong. The whole point of BLM is pointing out that the country you live in is inherently racist. So a lot of people's natural reaction to that is to deny deny deny because they can't accept that the country they live in and their way of life is racist, even if it's not directly accusing them of anything. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: One of the best bits of The Office is when David Brent gets Fray Bentos mixed up with Fidel Castro but it's only very recently that I realised that Fray Bentos is a place, not a person. It's a make of pie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's a make of pie... It is, but it's also a place in Uruguay which is big on meat processing. Where the Fray Bentos products originate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: It is, but it's also a place in Uruguay which is big on meat processing. Where the Fray Bentos products originate. I know but I think the joke in the office was because it was a pie rather than it being a place. Like it wouldn't have been as funny if he'd said Montevideo as his answer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I know but I think the joke in the office was because it was a pie rather than it being a place. Like it wouldn't have been as funny if he'd said Montevideo as his answer. Surely the joke is that Brent thought Fray Bentos was the Cuban leader rather than Fidel Castro was a pie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted June 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, tonyh29 said: it seems wrong to then stereotype the English That isn't what happened though is it?. No-one said this was all English people, you've projected that yourself. It's a description of a small section of British Society and its pretty bloody accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Surely the joke is that Brent thought Fray Bentos was the Cuban leader rather than Fidel Castro was a pie? Yes that's the joke but it's funny because it's a brand of pie. It's not funny because it's a random town in Uruguay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: That would be funny anyway, but 'Iain Smith' just slays me. Excellent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 9 hours ago, ml1dch said: Last week I discovered he’s a Brummie. Now I’ve discovered he’s one of our own! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 The RFU have announced they're looking in to whether or not singing swing low is appropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The RFU have announced they're looking in to whether or not singing swing low is appropriate On no, it's more like......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2020 So presumably “ You can stick your f***ing chariot up your arse” will actually be woke or something now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 What’s the issue with swing low? Being welsh, I don’t know the words or the context beyond ‘swing low, sweet chariot’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: What’s the issue with swing low? Being welsh, I don’t know the words or the context beyond ‘swing low, sweet chariot’ I think there is a perception that rugger types decided to Increase and focus the singing of an African American spiritual song to celebrate Martin Offiah. The english rugger types say this is tosh and piffle and they embrace absolute equality and it never occurred to them there was any connection as they don’t see colour. I personally have no opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: What’s the issue with swing low? Being welsh, I don’t know the words or the context beyond ‘swing low, sweet chariot’ No idea, it’s an Afro-American spiritual, possibly about the Underground Railroad. It was also used in the ‘60s by Civil Rights protesters. whats funny, is that the RFU don’t know this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Odd, so cultural appropriation at best then, pretty sure there’s bigger issues at hand currently, although I guess the RFU are sat twiddling their thumbs at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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