bickster Posted July 1, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham t said: Here's a thought.... If a Premier player had decided he simply did not believe in the political objectives of BLM and had refused to wear that shirt with the BLM motif would he... Be sacked by his club Attacked in the street by people who felt insulted by his stance or allowed freedom of choice... 'Regards' VLD. Can we phone a friend? "Sincerest thoughts" UTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 1, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Graham t said: As ' American Politics 'site has closed I hope the moderators allow me to make an apology.... You mean US Politics which is very much open and on page one of this very forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, choffer said: Fair play for holding your hands up on that one. What about the claptrap about leading black sportsmen and actors “stating that BLM was a crock of s**t”? I don't feel I can say anymore on those previous posts as it has been shut down. The passion shown by posters was nice to see though.... VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted July 1, 2020 Administrator Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Graham t said: I don't feel I can say anymore on those previous posts as it has been shut down. The passion shown by posters was nice to see though.... No it hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 56 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Do you think they’re allowed the freedom of choice not to advertise loan companies or betting shops? Of course there is precedent for refusing to wear other symbols that the PL deem to be worthy causes though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, WhatAboutTheFinish said: Of course there is precedent for refusing to wear other symbols that the PL deem to be worthy causes though. Yeah, but that’s because the poppy is political. Whereas nobody can really object to equality. Haaaa! Who did I get? Who did I get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: nobody can really object to equality. Unless by some extreme form of contortionism, you can dress equality up as a politically motivated movement. But sure, nobody would do that. Edited July 1, 2020 by choffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: Yeah, but that’s because the poppy is political. Whereas nobody can really object to equality. Haaaa! Whodid I get? Who id I ge I'm not sure that really works as a 'whereas'. If the poppy is political (and it is) then BLM is political (and it is). People should have a choice as to whether they are forced to wear political slogans, especially when they go to work. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 59 minutes ago, choffer said: That back nine must've taken ages. 967 over par so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, choffer said: Unless by some extreme form of contortionism, you can dress equality up as a politically motivated movement. But sure, nobody would do that. Of course 'equality' is politically motivated. And so it should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham t said: Here's a thought.... If a Premier player had decided he simply did not believe in the political objectives of BLM and had refused to wear that shirt with the BLM motif would he... Be sacked by his club Attacked in the street by people who felt insulted by his stance or allowed freedom of choice... 'Regards' VLD. I would hope that he would be allowed to openly express his views. I'd then hope that everyone with an ounce of decency was then allowed to openly express the view that said player was a massive dick as a consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, snowychap said: I'm not sure that really works as a 'whereas'. If the poppy is political (and it is) then BLM is political (and it is). People should have a choice as to whether they are forced to wear political slogans, especially when they go to work. Of course, I completely agree. I’d added another line in white text. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: Of course, I completely agree. I’d added another line in white text. Sneaky bugger. You got me, you got me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Huh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I would hope that he would be allowed to openly express his views. I'd then hope that everyone with an ounce of decency was then allowed to openly express the view that said player was a massive dick as a consequence. Of course, it is called freedom of expression. It's what democracy is all about. Regards, VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 1, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Huh Quote The fact that it now has three Conservative MPs reflects the deep disaffection with the status quo felt by many in the area. From that article, they really are thick word removeds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 1, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Graham t said: Of course, it is called freedom of expression. It's what democracy is all about. Regards, VLD. Do you actually have a point you'd like to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Do you actually have a point you'd like to make? Yes, that was it........It doesn't have to be 'racism' it's about allowing people to disagree and debate openly without fear of reprisals just because they may have a different point of view. Thanks for the replies, VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Graham t said: Of course, it is called freedom of expression. It's what democracy is all about. That is not what 'democracy is all about'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, snowychap said: Of course 'equality' is politically motivated. And so it should be. On reflection, you are of course correct. I think the point I was making (inelegantly) was that some seek to decry the cause of equality because it is political. By calling it political it invalidates “their” arguments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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