villalad21 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lord Willard said: All this talking of playing RB's at RW and Grealish at LW, I thought I clicked on a thread from last year when Bruce was in charge. Talk about shoe horning. People on here just seem so desperate to see him and Targett play and i can understand that. They are both new arrivals and that always brings excitement, but as i've said before and Smith would probably agree with this. There is no reason to change players if they are doing well. Targett and Guilbert will both get they're chances. Either through injuries, suspensions or in Cup Games. It's up to them to be ready and grab they're chance when they get it. Edited August 22, 2019 by villalad21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lord Willard said: All this talking of playing RB's at RW and Grealish at LW, I thought I clicked on a thread from last year when Bruce was in charge. Talk about shoe horning. Yeah it's very annoying. That being said, Grealish has said on more than one occasion that his preferred position is on the left of a front three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: People on here just seem so desperate to see him and Targett play and i can understand that. They are both new arrivals and that always brings excitement, but as i've said before and Smith would probably agree with this. There is no reason to change players if they are doing well. I wouldn't say Elmo's doing well. Get Guilbert in on Friday and let's see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: I wouldn't say Elmo's doing well. Get Guilbert in on Friday and let's see what he can do. He was actually our man of the match according to WhoScored. https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1375938/Live/England-Premier-League-2019-2020-Aston-Villa-Bournemouth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I said it before the season started; if Trez was starting so would Elmo. Jota, would play with Guilbert. Especially early doors. I expect Jota to replace El Ghazi against Everton. Jota likes to cut inside, therefore to add balance you need a fullback to overlap him to create that dummy run. Therefore I expect to see Guilbert in as well. Tactical decision over anything that Elmo has/hasn’t done. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Lord Willard said: All this talking of playing RB's at RW and Grealish at LW, I thought I clicked on a thread from last year when Bruce was in charge. Talk about shoe horning. Patience is a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 8 hours ago, villalad21 said: He was actually our man of the match according to WhoScored. https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1375938/Live/England-Premier-League-2019-2020-Aston-Villa-Bournemouth Fair enough. As soon as I posted it I actually thought he was decent going forward on Sat. Think he dwelled on it once and lost it near our goal (like he did against Spurs) and that stuck in my mind. Anyway...contract is deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Hope to see both Guilbert and Targett tomorrow need to attack there full backs to keep them back from attacking us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, rbcuk said: Hope to see both Guilbert and Targett tomorrow need to attack there full backs to keep them back from attacking us But what if their full backs attack our full backs to keep us back from attacking them ? Curses !.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 17 hours ago, Tom13 said: I wouldn't say Elmo's doing well. Get Guilbert in on Friday and let's see what he can do. Elmo is doing fine no reason at all to replace him with Guilbert yet. Don't get the fascination with getting Guilbert on, I think people are wrongly assuming he going to be constantly bombing forward and raining crosses into the box, just as a comparison he had 2 assists and scored 1 goal last season, Elmo had 8 assists and 2 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carewjust4u Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, zab6359 said: Elmo is doing fine no reason at all to replace him with Guilbert yet. Don't get the fascination with getting Guilbert on, I think people are wrongly assuming he going to be constantly bombing forward and raining crosses into the box, just as a comparison he had 2 assists and scored 1 goal last season, Elmo had 8 assists and 2 goals. In pre-season he was doing exactly that. Last season he was playing for inferior team that ultimately got relegated, I don't feel like you can compare. I feel like with the way we play we are crying-out for over-lapping fullbacks that overload the opposition on their final third, and Elmo and Taylor (as solid as they have been so far) don't offer that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, carewjust4u said: In pre-season he was doing exactly that. Last season he was playing for inferior team that ultimately got relegated, I don't feel like you can compare. I feel like with the way we play we are crying-out for over-lapping fullbacks that overload the opposition on their final third, and Elmo and Taylor (as solid as they have been so far) don't offer that. So Guilbert didn't get many assists whilst playing for a struggling team ? - sure he will get loads for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 In fairness Elmo did well on Saturday, people talking about no end product. He put in a great ball for grealish who missed an absolute sitter. There were another few crosses put in which found Taylor who should have scored and another couple that found men in good positions. Can't recall if all of these crosses were Elmo but the grealish one definitely was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, ramshackler said: In fairness Elmo did well on Saturday, people talking about no end product. He put in a great ball for grealish who missed an absolute sitter. There were another few crosses put in which found Taylor who should have scored and another couple that found men in good positions. Can't recall if all of these crosses were Elmo but the grealish one definitely was I was just looked at his WhoScored page, because I keep seeing people saying he was our MOTM, but I didn't feel like that at the game. WhoScored says he had 11 crosses, and of them 4 found a teammate. I feel like that, alone, adds context to this 'he was the highest rated player' line that keeps coming up Elmo's defence. Obviously, 7 of his crosses not finding a teammate doesn't mean they were bad crosses, as they could have just been defended well. However, my feeling from the game was that a good portion of his crosses were floated into a deep area (or one or two went out of play), whereas I'd prefer them to be whipped with pace into a more dangerous area. You've mentioned the two that went to Taylor and Grealish, but the one that keeps sticking in my mind (maybe just because I was hoping it would come to something), was the one that went to McGinn, but because it was so deep and floated, McGinn's header had little power and was an easy catch from the keeper. I think Elmo will keep his place against Everton, and I won't begrudge him starting. However, I would like to see whether Guilbert can look as pivotal in the Prem as he looked for us in pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 hours ago, carewjust4u said: In pre-season he was doing exactly that. Last season he was playing for inferior team that ultimately got relegated, I don't feel like you can compare. I feel like with the way we play we are crying-out for over-lapping fullbacks that overload the opposition on their final third, and Elmo and Taylor (as solid as they have been so far) don't offer that. Come on its pre season against some pretty inferior teams, I think DS has got him in as a long term replacement for Elmo and because of the type of player he is, very much a heart on his sleeve gives everything for the team type by all accounts. Good read https://onefootball.com/en/news/what-aston-villa-fans-can-expect-from-frederic-guilbert-en-25817581?variable=20190823 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 23 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: I said it before the season started; if Trez was starting so would Elmo. Jota, would play with Guilbert. Especially early doors. I expect Jota to replace El Ghazi against Everton. Jota likes to cut inside, therefore to add balance you need a fullback to overlap him to create that dummy run. Therefore I expect to see Guilbert in as well. Tactical decision over anything that Elmo has/hasn’t done. I reckon Grealish will move out to the left and Hourihane will come back in to the middle with Luiz holding - all at the expense of El Ghazi who's struggling to find his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, El-Reacho said: I reckon Grealish will move out to the left and Hourihane will come back in to the middle with Luiz holding - all at the expense of El Ghazi who's struggling to find his feet. Personally don’t see that happening at all. Smith will want Jack through the middle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Personally don’t see that happening at all. Smith will want Jack through the middle Jack looks the most dangerous when he cuts inside from wide areas. That's how Luiz got his goal on saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Jack looks the most dangerous when he cuts inside from wide areas. That's how Luiz got his goal on saturday He was still playing centrally, and then moves out wide (think the goal came from a second phase of a corner). Anyway we’re going off topic. As for guilbert, don’t think he’ll be in squad again tonight. Smith mentioned that Targett has to work for his place in the team and so same would seemingly apply to Guilbert (who I’m not sure was even mentioned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, mikeyp102 said: He was still playing centrally, and then moves out wide (think the goal came from a second phase of a corner). Anyway we’re going off topic. As for guilbert, don’t think he’ll be in squad again tonight. Smith mentioned that Targett has to work for his place in the team and so same would seemingly apply to Guilbert (who I’m not sure was even mentioned) Patience. Guilbert chance will come. Either through injuries/suspension or in Cup games. It's up to him to grab it when it comes. I 100 % agree with Smith here. Have to earn you're right into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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