avfc1982am Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Most of our players have never played in the Prem before. Most are new to the team. Most have probably played in several positions throughout their careers and are well versed in different positions. Certain players also transition to reaching their potential in positions unlikely earlier in their careers due to good coaching and hard work with obviously, quality. Also with good management foresight in seeing something in a players abilities that others haven't. How do you know that Guilbert isn't capable of making this transition? FWIW I'm not saying he can however don't be shortsighted in saying at this point he could never. How many players have found themselves in this same situation in the Prem?! Just to add to this I'm not in anyway saying we should put him in a front 3 s that ridiculous but what has concerned me in the 2 games we have played is the lack of delivery from the bylines on both sides. We don't have a huge squad or many wide options and maybe a times during the season will need to look at options not necessarily first choice. We have to look at ways of getting the most out of our width for the middle to work imo. If we don't ask questions out wide the midfield lose outlets, momentum, delivery and becomes easier to contain for opponents. We have to start learning to stretch teams again to create space in the middle like last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted August 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2019 Guilbert will start next week and be brilliant. I know this because ai am removing him from my Fantasy Football team 6 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowlersrs Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The missing villa man, I do wonder why this guy isn't atleast on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fowlersrs said: The missing villa man, I do wonder why this guy isn't atleast on the bench Numbers. Smith doesn't want or need 2 fullbacks on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Fowlersrs said: The missing villa man, I do wonder why this guy isn't atleast on the bench As said purely a numbers game Dean Smith addressed this at one of the press conferences when asked about Guilbert, his bench will be a a GK, two defenders, two midfielders and two strikers. I can't see him starting in the PL until Elmo really messes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_jW Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 16:05, DCJonah said: He's played rb for his career. Coming to the hardest league in the world and you want him to play in a completely new position? Good right wingers struggle in this league, i dread to think how a converted right back with no prem experience or experience of the position would get on. Didn't Gareth Bale started his career as a full back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 21, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dave_jW said: Didn't Gareth Bale started his career as a full back? he was moved to the wing because he was useless at LB. the famous story of blues being able to sign him for 800k and turned him down, he was that bad. even from little i've seen, guilbert is a better RB now than bale was at LB. it wasn't that bale became a winger, he was just out of position in the first place. i dont think that to be the case with guilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Dave_jW said: Didn't Gareth Bale started his career as a full back? So did Neil Taylor, doesn't mean he'd be any good on the wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Id start him Friday. That Bernard is tiny and weak as piss and Digne is a bit flaky defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 9 hours ago, av1 said: So did Neil Taylor, doesn't mean he'd be any good on the wing Or he’s twice the player Bale is on the wing and we’ve wasted the worlds best player all this time. Joking aside I think Taylor comes in for some harsh criticism on here. He’s been decent ever since Smith arrived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 20 hours ago, tomav84 said: he was moved to the wing because he was useless at LB. the famous story of blues being able to sign him for 800k and turned him down, he was that bad. A pity as McLeish could have got the best out of him. Be probably be playing at Hartlepool now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 21 hours ago, tomav84 said: he was moved to the wing because he was useless at LB. the famous story of blues being able to sign him for 800k and turned him down, he was that bad. even from little i've seen, guilbert is a better RB now than bale was at LB. it wasn't that bale became a winger, he was just out of position in the first place. i dont think that to be the case with guilbert Bale played LB for southampton and for spurs in his first season after a 5m move Redknapp moved him to the wing because he was such a threat going foreward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 23 hours ago, villalad21 said: Numbers. Smith doesn't want or need 2 fullbacks on the bench. I think potentially when we start Targett and Guilbert. The bench would look like this: Steer, House/Konsa, Konsa/Elmo, Nakamba, Hourihane, Jota, Kodjia With Davis and Lansbury on and off depending on circumstances, Taylor the same. Depending on formation changing El Ghazi could go to the bench too. I also agree with some, that it would be a wise choice to try Guilbert as a winger in a cup match. Maybe next week at Crewe. He could be helpful there. We're seeing him a much attacking threat in RB than Elmo who's originally a RM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Bale played LB for southampton and for spurs in his first season after a 5m move Redknapp moved him to the wing because he was such a threat going foreward Don't listen to Harry's lies. John Toshack had played Bale further forward months before Harry. He was immense to Wales every game going forward. Harry persisted at LB for a while before giving it a go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Don't listen to Harry's lies. John Toshack had played Bale further forward months before Harry. He was immense to Wales every game going forward. Harry persisted at LB for a while before giving it a go. And Bale also played there for Southampton on occasions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Bedding in players by playing them in unfamiliar positions is not the way to go IMO. Guess one can argue that Tuanzebe came good at CB because Bruce tried to make him a RB, but I strongly feel that's not why. I think it was because he is a CB that was moved to CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, sne said: Bedding in players by playing them in unfamiliar positions is not the way to go IMO. Guess one can argue that Tuanzebe came good at CB because Bruce tried to make him a RB, but I strongly feel that's not why. I think it was because he is a CB that was moved to CB. I agree about playing them out of position isn’t best. Especially Guilbert who doesn’t look to have any tricks to play as a winger, but has got pace needed for an overlapping fullback Not wishing to derail the thread, but Personally think Bruce only played Tuanzebe rb to get match fitness where he thought he was less of a risk in conceding. Once fit he was always going to move to cb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, mikeyp102 said: I agree about playing them out of position isn’t best. Especially Guilbert who doesn’t look to have any tricks to play as a winger, but has got pace needed for an overlapping fullback Not wishing to derail the thread, but Personally think Bruce only played Tuanzebe rb to get match fitness where he thought he was less of a risk in conceding. Once fit he was always going to move to cb Perhaps so, was still a terrible idea since we didn't have any CB's. One of the main reasons that cost him his job. So, you know. Silver lining I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, sne said: Bedding in players by playing them in unfamiliar positions is not the way to go IMO. Guess one can argue that Tuanzebe came good at CB because Bruce tried to make him a RB, but I strongly feel that's not why. I think it was because he is a CB that was moved to CB. Yes playing a right back on the wing at this stage would be very concerning. Fully expect Guilbert to be starting at right back by October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 All this talking of playing RB's at RW and Grealish at LW, I thought I clicked on a thread from last year when Bruce was in charge. Talk about shoe horning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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