Popular Post ccfcman Posted July 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) On social media companies and their culpability. It goes back to the old adage - if you're not paying, you're not the customer. Facebook and Instagram are littered with scams and fake products. The advertising revenue is enormous, the clicks to sales ratio is a goldmine. The advertisers are the paying customers and the sanity checks are non-existant. Facebook is actively hosting a myriad of stolen IP goods, a raft of Chinese knock-off everythings. They do not give a ****. People having their hard earned money turned into some garbage Sangsong iScrote with zero recourse. With respect to hateful material and incendiary text administration - again they (SM policy admins) only pull the kind of stuff that used to make its way onto Ogrish (mid 00s mutilation and beheading trash only a 14 year old would be into), and tits. Don't allow tits anywhere. Or anti-Jewish commentary in the US but that's about it really. They don't care because we are not viewing their business through the appropriate lens. I work for a SaaS start up, we haven't sold a thing, we're "revenue neutral" which is a really slick West Coast way of saying - we make no money. We are funded through the next 2 years, with additional hires possible and no requirement for revenues to increase. All we as business need to do is keep adding users. Luckily I work for a company with a bit of a backbone (we are VC funded so that bone density is a bit iffy) and we are only onboarding relevant users to our products but still, increase the userbase is our primary focus. Facebook internal discussions and metrics aim for X billion users and ad revenues relative to the userbase. For example "each user must generate 10 cent in advertising revenue", ie. $0.10 * userbase = $$$millions/billions. They don't operate in the same manner as other businesses. Politicians summoning their leaders is chocolate tea pot stuff. Only when there is a national fervor, a levy breaking point do they turn up and spout platitudes. Zuckerburg has been before multiple Congressional hearings talking absolute w**k, and have you noticed any improvements to the platform with respect to racism? If anything Instagram has become brand Gammon. It is the new go to place for racially abusing men for their work performances! Twitter is kinda waning. tl;dr - SM companies don't care and will never change. We are not the customer. Edited July 13, 2021 by ccfcman 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie k Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 racists are a small minority of people. the problem is in some places its a bigger minority 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, Richie k said: racists are a small minority of people. the problem is in some places its a bigger minority And they tend to be loudmouthed gobshites. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rayk Posted July 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Richie k said: racists are a small minority of people. the problem is in some places its a bigger minority I disagree and I’m a white male in his late 40’s who would probably be considered as coming from a privileged background. Racism is endemic and institutionalised across our society and others. And I am ashamed that it still exists in the 21st century. Its generally played out as white versus black or white versus brown, but there are nuances that shouldn’t be ignored. And not for one moment am I excusing the white vs black/brown…….it’s disgusting…. but there is brown vs black too. The amount of poor black labour used in the Middle East is ridiculous. I wonder what Priti Patel’s view on taking the knee (which I support wholeheartedly) would be if the Indian Cricket team had done it in a test match….or teams in the IPL did it. All I can say is Tyrone is a hero for taking on Priti Patel. Edited July 13, 2021 by rayk 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, mjmooney said: And they tend to be loudmouthed gobshites. Sadly amplified by social media apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Sadly amplified by social media apps. I think it’s true that social media apps give them their last remaining platform to be loud mouthed gobshites. But racism is far more than this sad pathetic minority. Edited July 13, 2021 by rayk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I don't what the true answer is, but for me I always thought it's a bit of a catch 22. There is no doubt we are hearing more, as we and the media are talking about it more. The taking of the knee, the BLM project, the constant reporting of the comments on social media are just fuelling the racists to be heard more, because we all know, they really don't give a flying ******. An to be fair on social media, you'll probably find it's 90% idiots and 10% true racists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, rayk said: I disagree and I’m a white male in his late 40’s who would probably be considered as coming from a privileged background. Racism is endemic and institutionalised across our society and others. And I am ashamed that it still exists in the 21st century ... All I can say is Tyrone is a hero for taking on Priti Patel. Jesus lads if I fully agree with @rayk I may have to reconsider/take it all back 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I don't what the true answer is, but for me I always thought it's a bit of a catch 22. There is no doubt we are hearing more, as we and the media are talking about it more. The taking of the knee, the BLM project, the constant reporting of the comments on social media are just fuelling the racists to be heard more, because we all know, they really don't give a flying ******. An to be fair on social media, you'll probably find it's 90% idiots and 10% true racists. That is such a stupid statement….BUT your stats is probably bang on. Right now it’s not the 10% true racists we need to be worried about first - let the police deal with them - it’s the 90% idiot RACISTS that should be in the firing line. Edited July 13, 2021 by rayk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, rayk said: That is such a stupid statement. And your analysis is probably bang on - it’s not the 10% true racists we need to be worried about first - it’s the 90% idiot RACISTS that should be in the firing line. I didn't say that did I! What I did say is, there's no doubt raising awareness of Racism fuels the racists and idiots, but I'm not sure what the answer is. I'm different to you though, as I don't believe our country is systematically racist. Edited July 13, 2021 by foreveryoung 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, blandy said: (1) Should we stop asking for people to be respectful to each other “because it’s clearly not working”? (2) The second point is actually both the guidelines and the footballers efforts actually are working. Of course not everyone agrees with our request to be nice and not everyone sadly agrees with the footballers asking for equal treatment for everyone, and an end to racism. Our forum requires less moderation than it used to. I hope The racists are also reduced and ultimately are gone from society (3) I guess we’ll stop asking people to be nice when everyone is nice. And the footballers can stop asking for a end to racism when racism is no longer a problem (1) I guess, this is why you give out warnings, before ultimately banning people. Which is, in terms of the law, taking people's liberty away from them and locking them up. (2) I honestly don't understand this. The footballers efforts are clearly not having the desired effect, ie; not working, as evidenced constantly on social media and in society as a whole. Is this seriously in dispute? So the method and effectiveness of the message needs to be questioned, and we need to figure why this is and what can be done. (3) This has, and will never be the case, which is why we need laws and police to enforce them. Even the most egalitarian society, like Scandinavia, say, still require police and laws. Hope, in the end, is an abstract desire we live for, not a rule we can live by. To bring the two topics of your analogy together, this particular football forum, like all football forums, is essentially a closed shop, where almost every single member desires Aston Villa to do well. This is simply not the case in society as a whole, where all kinds of ideologies and opinions fight for space, which is why, it seems to me, the likes of Twitter is a cesspit of vitriol and hatred, and Villa Talk, as you've mentioned, is relatively calm water and largely self-policing. Societies, unlike North Korea, say, are not closed shops, so the two are incomparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, rayk said: Why, it’s about Tyrone Mings and Tyrone has been a hero today. So cmon mate what’s your story? Agreed. I love Tyrone. I think it's impossible to quantify how much I appreciate everything he's done for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Aston_Villan4 said: Agreed. I love Tyrone. I think it's impossible to quantify how much I appreciate everything he's done for this team. Don’t chicken out, you decided to make a stand against the racism angle that Tyrone was absolutely right to highlight and now you’ve gone into your shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rayk said: Don’t chicken out, you decided to make a stand against the racism angle that Tyrone was absolutely right to highlight and now you’ve gone into your shell. No, I haven't gone into a shell. It's pretty clear you're chomping at the bit to castigate me as a racist. I already told you, if you're interested then tag me in the other thread. In regards to Tyrone's tweets. I'm in no way taking a stand against what he said and I'm not sure how you even jumped to that. I wholeheartedly agree with his posts. Edited July 13, 2021 by Aston_Villan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, blandy said: The second point is actually both the guidelines and the footballers efforts actually are working. So, @blandy, I was curious about why you think this. It's certainly working in terms of raising the profile of the issue, but that doesn't necessarily equate to footballers recieving less racist abuse - an issue taking on a higher profile can sometimes just make the entire debate far more bitter (e.g. Brexit, Scottish independence, etc). Have you seen any evidence that the amount of hate is being reduced or is it enough in your eyes that the issue is getting more attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Tyrone’s statement about Patel is powerful, & hard hitting and I’m proud he is our player! My heart went out when they were in the pitch at the final whistle for the pain and loss. It was predictable that these poor young men who were desperately keen to get this all over with, but knowing full well the inevitable sick abuse they would be getting… Maybe the FA should mandate players online accounts are locked to comments during and after games? Mings will be a key figure moving forward in this fight against the rise of bigotry and nastiness. I can easily see a guest spot on Question Time & get Benjamin Zephaniah on as well … A proper debate with x2 Intellectual Villa Men on would be immense to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: I'm lost here. That doesn't seem to be a good example at all - are you saying Jewish is a nationality? Racism is a form of xenophobia rather than the other way around, as xenophobia is fear of the foreign (in the sense of "different" rather than "from abroad"). Hitler was of course both. It certainly wasn't as simple as him hating all non-Germans though. Him not actually being German might be a bit of a giveaway there. I do t think you understand the word form. It’s like maths and subsets and the like if you remember. The point is the two expressions overlap. But logically, I find it hard to believe if you live in a largely white society and you hate your neighbouring largely white society that you then won’t have a beef if about your non-white minority. But hey, that’s not just me saying that, just look at the history books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjøttbacken Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Hitler saw the German peoples as a collectivist living organism, within which foreign peoples were a cancer. You could say he was xenophobic towards the Brits, and racist towards the latin and slavic peoples along with jews and gypsies. That said, Tyrone Mings has grown immensely both as a player and a character over the last two years imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 hours ago, hippo said: The UK as a whole is moving to the right. TM is bang on what he said about Pri Patel - fanning the flames of discontent - seeking to protect our borders from those so desperate they risk there life in dinghies - launching planes when migrant crossers reach a staggering 40 - pump that into mainstream polictics - and don't be surprised if some idiots go a step further.. Well done TM for identifying the root cause It was a brilliant statement from Tyrone. He's a credit to the club. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Regardless of what you think of his footballing ability, couldn't be prouder to have a human like Tyrone Mings representing Aston Villa Football Club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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