Guest av1 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 9 hours ago, May-Z said: I wonder if Bruce's strange tactic of playing his strikers out wide pulled Mings around abit. I spot a flaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich192 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 He's been excellent recently, not his day on Friday. Joelinton is actually a decent player, he's just a shocking finisher. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 people complained for months that Mings was overplaying the ball and costing us. No surprise our downturn in form and possession came since the City game when he started playing long ball instead of passing from the back Glad people got there wish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 11 hours ago, Zatman said: people complained for months that Mings was overplaying the ball and costing us. No surprise our downturn in form and possession came since the City game when he started playing long ball instead of passing from the back Glad people got there wish Yep. I said this after the Wolves game, I think. Now it's not the only reason why we're playing absolutely cat at the moment but it is definitely contributing to our lack of ability to create anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Can't argue with any of that. Goes without saying at this point that the guy speaks really well but...he speaks really well. Edited March 22, 2021 by Indigo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 His status and worth to the team outweighs his skill imo - a weird thing to say I know. They guy has all the makings to be an icon and could transcend the game. When he speaks - people listen. He is leader full stop! Off and on the pitch. But I feel he suffers from a lack of top level football and training at the formulative stage of his career and IMO will always show and hold him back from being as good as he should be - a world class, complete CB. He has played pretty much the same amount 1st team football as Konsa, so he hasn’t had the time to iron out the kinks and work on his game. He will always have those frustrating traits. That mad moment. The stupid error of judgement. The frustrating lapses to his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, thabucks said: His status and worth to the team outweighs his skill imo - a weird thing to say I know. They guy has all the makings to be an icon and could transcend the game. When he speaks - people listen. He is leader full stop! Off and on the pitch. But I feel he suffers from a lack of top level football and training at the formulative stage of his career and IMO will always show and hold him back from being as good as he should be - a world class, complete CB. He has played pretty much the same amount 1st team football as Konsa, so he hasn’t had the time to iron out the kinks and work on his game. He will always have those frustrating traits. That mad moment. The stupid error of judgement. The frustrating lapses to his game. I agree. we have more problems than Tyrone Mings....He has his flaws, but he is ok, our defence is ok. we all know where our problems lie. Edited March 22, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I think it's time to get him back playing the ball out from the back again. Granted he's cut out the silly mistakes (which didn't happen that often) but we've lost so much as a team since we've changed our style to a more cautious approach. It is not the only reason, of course. We've lost Grealish obviously and the enforced break due to covid and potentially covid itself. However, I think that getting Mings to alter his playing style has also contributed to us becoming way less effective in our recent games. Maybe it was a conscious decision made by Mings himself due to the criticism he was getting but since then we have become way more ineffective with the ball. What we do is just so predictable at the moment. IMO the advantages of Mings playing out from the back totally outweigh the disadvantages and we should accept the risks that go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 23/03/2021 at 01:41, TRO said: I agree. we have more problems than Tyrone Mings....He has his flaws, but he is ok, our defence is ok. we all know where our problems lie. OK? Our defence is bloody excellent for the most part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 23 hours ago, sparrow1988 said: I think it's time to get him back playing the ball out from the back again. Granted he's cut out the silly mistakes (which didn't happen that often) but we've lost so much as a team since we've changed our style to a more cautious approach. It is not the only reason, of course. We've lost Grealish obviously and the enforced break due to covid and potentially covid itself. However, I think that getting Mings to alter his playing style has also contributed to us becoming way less effective in our recent games. Maybe it was a conscious decision made by Mings himself due to the criticism he was getting but since then we have become way more ineffective with the ball. What we do is just so predictable at the moment. IMO the advantages of Mings playing out from the back totally outweigh the disadvantages and we should accept the risks that go with it. I don't think it's made much of a difference tbf - Jack being out is the big loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, lexicon said: I don't think it's made much of a difference tbf - Jack being out is the big loss. Losing Grealish has been the biggest loss but I think the change of style has also contributed. We are playing with in tighter spaces without our best player at playing in tight spaces. Mings carrying the ball out from the back created extra space for the players further up the field and now that is gone. We also looked pretty limited going forward with Jack since we've gone more safety first from the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, lexicon said: OK? Our defence is bloody excellent for the most part. It Is, but it might be worth remembering..... We have won 12 games this season, with 11 clean sheets only 1 game have we conceded goals whilst winning. That leaves 16 games where we have conceded, losing 11 and drawing 5....we have conceded 30 goals in those games averaging 1.875 goals per game. I think our defenders are basically fine, but I would question if the team as a whole is as competent at defending the ball. I think those stats open up food for discussion. I don't think we can just say defensively we are ok , because we have all seen on occasions, we are not....We are still prone to silly errors and lapses of concentration or poor positioning. However, if I was recruiting this summer, the front 6 is where my focus would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, TRO said: It Is, but it might be worth remembering..... We have won 12 games this season, with 11 clean sheets only 1 game have we conceded goals whilst winning. That leaves 16 games where we have conceded, losing 11 and drawing 5....we have conceded 30 goals in those games averaging 1.875 goals per game. I think our defenders are basically fine, but I would question if the team as a whole is as competent at defending the ball. I think those stats open up food for discussion. I don't think we can just say defensively we are ok , because we have all seen on occasions, we are not....We are still prone to silly errors and lapses of concentration or poor positioning. However, if I was recruiting this summer, the front 6 is where my focus would be. The back 5 in isolation is excellent. I think if we improve whats in front of them, starting from the front then we will see these stats improve. Which is what I think you're alluding too. Again squad depth and development increasing consistency across the board plays a part in this too. We don't have one of the meanest defences in the league by chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, lexicon said: OK? Our defence is bloody excellent for the most part. Exactly. The main problem is the midfield bar El Ghazi and Jack not scoring enough goals. I am lookng at McGinn, Barkley, Trez etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 3 hours ago, lexicon said: OK? Our defence is bloody excellent for the most part. Yep. We have a very solid base to try and build on next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bose Posted March 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2021 He was nearly happier than Ollie himself with his goal! Love it 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 25, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 25, 2021 He's a proper grown up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: He's a proper grown up. I think so too, while being about ten years older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Been due due a while now. Make amends up the other end please Tyrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Sad days when my first thought after that gaffe is that he will be racially abused tonight on social media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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