brummybloke Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, New_Hope said: To be fair....I'd like to see how you would have stopped a shot at goal 2m (if that) away from you at full match speed. ? Am I an international goal keeper ? I'll answer that for you. No I'm not. I've played football most of my life and watched games for the last 38 years. I also know when someone plays poorly be it a keeper defender or what ever, I've never played professional football either. I'm not getting your point ? He had a shit game , wishing he didn't doesn't make his performance less shit. I'm sure he will get better but today he was shit, basic mistakes, out of position shit distribution. If it were nyland I'm sure there would be no one defending the shit performance. I was hoping for an imposing confident keeper. He was neither today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 6, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2019 No he didn't , he wasn't great but did enough to say he has something our past keepers haven't , our defense was dreadful. Hutton for all his heart isn't going to be in a team that is consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, tinker said: No he didn't , he wasn't great but did enough to say he has something our past keepers haven't , our defense was dreadful. Hutton for all his heart isn't going to be in a team that is consistent. I'm not saying he won't be good , I'm saying today he was dog dirt. Why people are pretending he wasn't or coming up with excuses for an inept performance I really haven't got a clue ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 That's the trouble having a 9ft goalkeeper!.. It takes them 5mins to hit the deck! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 hours ago, brummybloke said: I'm not saying he won't be good , I'm saying today he was dog dirt. Why people are pretending he wasn't or coming up with excuses for an inept performance I really haven't got a clue ? I haven't read the thread, nor did I watch the game. My guess is, he is replacing Nyland, and being an international GK from the WC runner-up, people want him to be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 6, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2019 Hard to judge him after that game - given Swansea were free to pass it around our defence at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 6, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Kingman said: That's the trouble having a 9ft goalkeeper!.. It takes them 5mins to hit the deck! There is some truth in that. Someone said earlier that his biggest weakness is getting down quickly and that looked to me like what happened with the first goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted January 6, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, brummybloke said: I'm not saying he won't be good , I'm saying today he was dog dirt. Why people are pretending he wasn't or coming up with excuses for an inept performance I really haven't got a clue ? I'm with this. Yes he was behind a poor defence, and yes he was probably nervous, but on the day his performance simply wasn't good enough. Having excuses is fine and I certainly don't disagree with some of them, but why some people are saying he played well or looked good yesterday is totally beyond me. And yes, de Gea was hopeless at first, and that argument can be made. But it seems to get trotted out these days every time a new goalkeeper looks dodgy, no matter what club they're at. Very few goalkeepers will turn out to be anything like as good as him. And I also don't think we've bought a commanding, relatively experienced international goalkeeper (who is replacing someone who was an excellent shot stopper but dropped a lot of clangers) with the idea that they'll probably make a lot of mistakes while they settle. We've paid a lot of money for someone solid and reliable. All that said, of course it would be unfair to judge him on one game, especially his debut. I have no idea whether he's actually any good or not. But I do hope he is! Edited January 6, 2019 by Troglodyte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Can people enlighten me as to what he did in the first half? I only saw the second half and he conceded two goals which I wouldn’t particularly lay any blame him for. Other than that he cut off a few through balls by having a really got starting position and saved a few shots solidly that I’d have expected him to stop. That was basically it. Not sure what happened in the first half to get everyone so worried as second half there was very little to get concerned about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 hours ago, villaglint said: Can people enlighten me as to what he did in the first half? I only saw the second half and he conceded two goals which I wouldn’t particularly lay any blame him for. Other than that he cut off a few through balls by having a really got starting position and saved a few shots solidly that I’d have expected him to stop. That was basically it. Not sure what happened in the first half to get everyone so worried as second half there was very little to get concerned about. I think you are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 hours ago, sidcow said: There is some truth in that. Someone said earlier that his biggest weakness is getting down quickly and that looked to me like what happened with the first goal. I thought he was slow to react for all 3 goals tbf, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 hours ago, villaglint said: Can people enlighten me as to what he did in the first half? I only saw the second half and he conceded two goals which I wouldn’t particularly lay any blame him for. Other than that he cut off a few through balls by having a really got starting position and saved a few shots solidly that I’d have expected him to stop. That was basically it. Not sure what happened in the first half to get everyone so worried as second half there was very little to get concerned about. It's already been said. I'd be surprised when you watch goal 3 you don't think he's out of position, moving towards 2 players who are already at the ball and in his way, exposing his entire goal. He's not covering his post effectively as he could do that standing away from the players. I'm also surprised you say his positioning was good, this was apart from spilling every shot he got to, his worst trait on the day. It was a terrible day at the office and one I hope he doesn't repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just one game but he does look very slow on low shots. might be due to lack of game time as he hasnt played since signing was announced and Gent had 3 or 4 matches since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) One game in and we are already doom mongering, god help our players, and god forbid we give new players a little time rather than crucify them. The guy is still living in a hotel, eating hotel food and trying to settle in, give him some time. I also watched all 3 goals, I broke each goal down a page or two back, could he have done better?, possibly, were all 3 a direct result of the fact our defence couldn't stop a baby stealing a Lolly off them?, definitely. Edited January 6, 2019 by MaVilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 6, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2019 I'm definitely still giving him a chance. I'm sure he'll be better next game already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Looked at fault for the 1st goal from where i was sat in the upper Doug Ellis, don't think he could be blamed for the 2nd and 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just thought I would look at this thread, to cheer myself up. I have not been disappointed! This guy has played 1 game. Yes.............. that’s 1 game. If you think he was at fault for the first goal then I suggest you go and do something else on a Saturday afternoon. I have been watching villa since the mid 80’s and we have never had a keeper who would have done better for that goal. He did his job. He blocked the initial shot really well, making himself big and difficult to pass. The fact that the ball then ricocheted off the player and in is pure bad luck. The other 2 goals were the result of some terrible school boy defending! I thought the keeper looked confident and assured. I bet we stop conceding so many goals from set pieces now. Give the poor bloke a chance to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 8 hours ago, MaVilla said: One game in and we are already doom mongering, god help our players, and god forbid we give new players a little time rather than crucify them. The guy is still living in a hotel, eating hotel food and trying to settle in, give him some time. I also watched all 3 goals, I broke each goal down a page or two back, could he have done better?, possibly, were all 3 a direct result of the fact our defence couldn't stop a baby stealing a Lolly off them?, definitely. No, people are judging that 1 performance on what it was, shit. Not seen anyone doom mongering at all, and not read anyone saying he is shit. Seen several people saying that performance was shit. People and their made up points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, brummybloke said: It's already been said. I'd be surprised when you watch goal 3 you don't think he's out of position, moving towards 2 players who are already at the ball and in his way, exposing his entire goal. He's not covering his post effectively as he could do that standing away from the players. I'm also surprised you say his positioning was good, this was apart from spilling every shot he got to, his worst trait on the day. It was a terrible day at the office and one I hope he doesn't repeat There were positives and negatives. I think you're maybe a bit harsh on him spilling everything (handling generally seemed ok to me, can't remember him spilling anything of note. Any moments in particular?) and the first goal seemed more bad luck to me. I also thought he was better ball-to-feet than I expected, and he looked more comfortable than Nyland would with the few crosses I remember him having to deal with. However, I think you are bang on with the positioning issue and that is the biggest worry for me. That moment in the first half where he came rushing out and ended up in no man's land was genuinely baffling. And for the third goal it looked at the time like he'd made a very similar error. Hoping this is first game nerves or something. I'm definitely not writing him off after one game. But if these particular mistakes turn out not to be one-offs, then I think this could be a much bigger issue than Nyland's aerial deficiencies. Edited January 7, 2019 by tomsky_11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, brummybloke said: No, people are judging that 1 performance on what it was, shit. Not seen anyone doom mongering at all, and not read anyone saying he is shit. Seen several people saying that performance was shit. People and their made up points even the best players can look not so good, when they are surrounded by dross. I agree it wasnt a great debut, but i also have great sympathy for him, as the defence was shocking for at least 2 of the goals, totally shocking, i cant understate it enough, our defence is like a Sunday league amateur side. two of the goals he conceded, they shouldnt have even had the chances. Edited January 7, 2019 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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