Keener window-cleaner Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Very harsh to blame him for the 3rd. He moved way too far to the left in the first situation and left to much space open to the right, then he was slow down on the ground, the ball went in too easily just beside/under him. That’s how I saw it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, New_Hope said: 1st goal he actually saved it from the Swansea players stab at goal....it then rebounded into the same player to finish it. He spilled a simple save, he did it throughout the game. Looked lost out there. While the defence should have been better, his job is for when the ball goes past the defence. Today was a very poor debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 5, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2019 Played well under the circumstances, can't be blamed for the goals, hopeless defence cost us . To blame him for the 3rd goal is ridiculous , he would have had to push Hutton out of the way to clear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) Last two posts are polar oposites describing his debut, which one is closer to the truth???? Edited January 5, 2019 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, tinker said: Played well under the circumstances, can't be blamed for the goals, hopeless defence cost us . To blame him for the 3rd goal is ridiculous , he would have had to push Hutton out of the way to clear it. Problem is he shouldnt have been behind Hutton, from where I sat behind the goal it looked like he was running towards the corner flag instead of standing steady in goal, I was shouting what is he doing, looked quite strange from there. Then he had to run back to the middle of the goal and let it slip in cheaply just beside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 We all wanted a big bastard to do what Nyland can't. But the problem is when you're 6'7, you are slower to the ground. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Only one game.. but i I had my doubts after watching his ‘highlights’ YouTube video. Does a lot of spilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Calm down. It was his first game behind a terrible defence. Plus he didn't do much, if anythign wrong from what I saw. Agreed. Unlucky ricochet for the first and that would maybe have knocked his confidence a little bit to concede so early. As for second, a simple through ball that split the defence due to Hutton being in no man's land and Taylor not tracking his runner, awful defending. My view of the 3rd from the holte wasn't great so can't really comment. Not the debut he would have wanted but leaving the ground I was pissed off about a lot of the things, the keeper wasn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I would have an incredible amount of sympathy for any keeper that makes his debut behind a CB pairing of Tommy Elphick and Alan Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, av1 said: I would have an incredible amount of sympathy for any keeper that makes his debut behind a CB pairing of Tommy Elphick and Alan Hutton. i assume that sympathy would be founded in that Elphick and Hutton are so good that Kalinic wouldnt get chance to showcase his skills due to them shielding/protecting his goal so well????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, brummybloke said: He spilled a simple save, he did it throughout the game. Looked lost out there. While the defence should have been better, his job is for when the ball goes past the defence. Today was a very poor debut. To be fair....I'd like to see how you would have stopped a shot at goal 2m (if that) away from you at full match speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sir_gary_cahill Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I was at the game today, I thought he was fine, considering it was his first game in a new country, he’ll improve over time, he’s probably still living in a hotel. I think and hope he will keep his place for the next match, he made some nice saves today and looked commanding at times when he came for crosses etc. It was the second time I had seen him play after seeing him for Croatia against England on tv, I think over time, he will be an outstanding for us, I think he is our most expensive goalkeeper of all time at the reported £7m, maybe someone can correct me on that, I’ll shut up now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I was at the game today, I thought he was fine, considering it was his first game in a new country, he’ll improve over time, he’s probably still living in a hotel. I think and hope he will keep his place for the next match, he made some nice saves today and looked commanding at times when he came for crosses etc. It was the second time I had seen him play after seeing him for Croatia against England on tv, I think over time, he will be an outstanding for us, I think he is our most expensive goalkeeper of all time at the reported £7m, maybe someone can correct me on that, I’ll shut up now so you dont think he was responsible for one or more goals?, some ppl seem to comment that he was? I hope you are right!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, MaVilla said: so you dont think he was responsible for one or more goals?, some ppl seem to comment that he was? I hope you are right!!!! I was at the game today, I’ll have to watch the highlights again to judge properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I was at the game today, I’ll have to watch the highlights again to judge properly Oh, you said in both posts "I was at the game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, MaVilla said: Oh, you said in both posts "I was at the game" sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 So, going to say, I was at the game too..... Difficult to tell about the goals from the doug Ellis upper level with the goal behind the Holte.... I thought he was quite smart with his distribution and was good to see he didn't fear coming off his line. Yes, he spilled some shots, but for a debut in a new country he did alright. The rest of the team however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I’ll go ahead and mention De Gea being awful at Man Utd for a full season. New country, new club, new environment, probably doesn’t even have a home here. Give him time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Just watched the highlights, these are my observations: Goal 1 - the Swansea player gets to the ball first (it doesnt bounce off Kalinic from him not collecting it), so the initial tap from the player, Kalinic saves, the rebound goes straight back to the players and he scores, not sure Kalinic can really be to blame for that. (it actually looks more unlucky the way it bounces back, then the shot goes between his legs while he is lying down from the first save, all happened in a split second, could just of easily hit his torso/legs a second time.....but it didnt) Goal 2 - firstly how they passed through numerous players i dont know, terribel defending, Kalinic was exposed, the only thing i could possibly say was he looked like a huge man trying to get down to a ball placed low to his right but strangely close to him, and he is a huge fella...so yeah? (it looked like as the player was quite close to Kalinic when the pass came through, and the Swansea player semi placed it low to his right, he was just too big to get down to his immediate right, and his right leg was a split second late poking out) Goal 3 - In fairness to Kalinic again, the ball bounces twice off Hutton as he mostly falls over trying to stop the ball, Kalinic notices and tries to get to the ball as he and a Swansea player are running for it, Kalinic realises he wont get it, sets himself for a second expecting a shot, it doesnt come, Kalinic starts to move back towards the centre of his goal, but doesnt move far enough before its passed accross the goal and the Swansea player taps in. Again, kinda like goal 2, what on earth the defence was doing i dont know, Kalinic only came for it in the first place because Hutton decided to ping pong it between his legs, fall over, and give it to a Swansea player?, not sure kalinic can be blamed, he was just trying to react to a terrible terrible bit of defending. Overview: "Could" Kalinic have done better with any of the goals?, "maybe" slightly better with all 3, but a) its his first game, b) he wasnt helped by the defence for any of them, and finally c) 2 of the goals he was specifically sold in to a s*** storm by our own defence being blatantly terrible. Edited January 6, 2019 by MaVilla 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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