Racism in Football

[OxfordVillan]

35 minutes ago, Stratvillan said:

Thought Mings played well yesterday.  (thought I'd bring it back to topic). Think he'll be in the England squad?

 

He should absolutely be in the England squad. It would be a bit farcical if he wasn’t. He’s been very good for the vast majority of the season. Excellent at times. 

[Paddywhack]

I don't like to generalise, but every single person that booed is a massive word removed.

[osmark86]

3 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said:

I think you think you have more insight than you actually do. I don’t boo, never have done never will. Except at panto. But I defend people’s right to boo, to have a different opinion. If you read back to one of my earlier posts on this topic you will see that I wrote that I hoped the authorities and the players could come together over summer and put together a new initiative against racism that could pull EVERYONE along with it. By that I mean completely sever links with BLM so that people cannot use it as an excuse to boo, criticise, or whatever. By doing so you would leave the real racists with nowhere to hide. 
The reality is that you don’t know me at all, it’s somewhat naive to think you do by reading a few words on a forum. The single thing we know we have in common here is AVFC. Anything else is just misguided guesswork. UTV

I recall you having no problems knowing a lot about me after reading a few posts on a forum

[villa4europe]

Just now, Panto_Villan said:

When did they rebrand it? I've genuinely not seen it if so. Can you provide links?

Yeah they changed it to "no room for racism" at some point and distanced themselves from BLM 

[ml1dch]

10 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said:

 But I defend people’s right to boo, to have a different opinion. 

Presumably then you'd also defend the rights of the people on this thread to call them massive dickbags then? 

[OxfordVillan]

2 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Presumably then you'd also defend the rights of the people on this thread to call them massive dickbags then? 

Whatever floats your boat, my friend. UTV

[osmark86]

2 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said:

No, I labelled you as stupid for comments I viewed as stupid. It’s a single observation. I think it’s entirely different when someone suggests that “you reveal yourself with every post”, which was that poster alluding to my being a racist, which can’t really be denied given the context of the topic being discussed. That poster is of course entitled to that view, however misguided. UTV

pretty sure that was a single observation on his part

[StefanAVFC]

I love the notion that ending every post with 'UTV' somehow makes the content of the post more palatable. 

[Awol]

15 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Much in the same way that people argue that BLM has now become political. 'Equality is apolitical'. Similar statement.

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You’re not on very firm ground there. 
 

[StefanAVFC]

2 minutes ago, Awol said:

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You’re not on very firm ground there. 
 

And as others have said, the knee has been distanced from BLM officially for a really, really long time. There's no excuse for being ill-informed when it's been mentioned on this page.

[Sam-AVFC]

Eugh. It's bad enough this shit is now all over LinkedIn. 

[Awol]

Just now, StefanAVFC said:

And as others have said, the knee has been distanced from BLM officially for a really, really long time. There's no excuse for being ill-informed when it's been mentioned on this page.

Yeah, me. 

[villa4europe]

1 minute ago, Awol said:

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You’re not on very firm ground there. 
 

The original message was that black lives matter

The players take a knee because that message is true, people support it because that message is true 

Political parties hijacking those 3 words and trying to make it something that you can then drive a wedge through us pure detraction, it was never about a political party, ever 

This is what the racists do, this is why they win 

If you're more offended by the political ideology of BLM than you are over black people still being oppressed then your compass is off 

[KentVillan]

The knots people tie themselves in to attack a harmless anti racism campaign

[StefanAVFC]

So not entirely sure what your point is?

Taking the knee is for equality. Equality is apolitical. The knee is linked to BLM, which has become hugely political. Despite the distancing, you have a problem with taking a knee because sport and politics shouldn't mix.

Wearing a poppy is for remembrance. Remembrance is apolitical. The poppy has been hijacked by a lot of people for political reasons. You have no issue with poppies on shirts.

Fragrant hypocrisy. 

[Awol]

Just now, villa4europe said:

If you're more offended by the political ideology of BLM than you are over black people still being oppressed then your compass is off 

Im offended by the proposition that black people are being oppressed in the UK, it’s patent nonsense. 

Racism on an individual level exists, is disgusting and should be challenged whenever/wherever it appears.  

Inferring from that, that black people are structurally oppressed in the UK is total cobblers, pushed by larpers trying to import US social and racial dysfunction to give themselves a ‘cause’. 

In the UK social class and familial wealth are the determining factors in your life chances. Convincing people to re-racialise the discourse and persuade them into the cancer of identity politics is evil in intent and outcome. 

[StefanAVFC]

1 minute ago, Awol said:

Im offended by the proposition that black people are being oppressed in the UK, it’s patent nonsense. 

Tell that to Dalian Atkinson. 

[Adam2003]

3 hours ago, OxfordVillan said:

The organisation that taking the knee originated from is BLM

This is a revision of history just FYI. Taking the knee as a gesture started as a protest in the NFL linked to the cause of racial justice but not specifically to BLM. The organisations Colin Kaepernick as the instigating individual supported with funding off the back of it included everything from Meals on Wheels to military veterans programmes.

Obviously the organisation Black Lives Matter and the cause that ‘black lives matter’ end up very closely linked but that’s not even the name of what they are doing in the PL - it’s called No Room For Racism. I go back and forth on whether it has any value (I don’t see it changing much, but on the other hand the idea of a whole league repeatedly calling our racism would have been amazing not too long ago) but you’ve been conned if you have been told it’s some sort of support specifically of BLM the organisation. You might as well say every Blues fan is Conservative and every Arsenal fan votes Labour because of the shirt colour they wear to games.

[KentVillan]

Just an example of the sort of person replying to Mings on Twitter. Claims he booed because taking the knee won’t achieve anything...

Think Mings may be ambitious in asking people whose IQ can be counted on one hand to “educate themselves”.

[KentVillan]

5 minutes ago, Awol said:

Im offended by the proposition that black people are being oppressed in the UK, it’s patent nonsense. 

Racism on an individual level exists, is disgusting and should be challenged whenever/wherever it appears.  

Inferring from that, that black people are structurally oppressed in the UK is total cobblers, pushed by larpers trying to import US social and racial dysfunction to give themselves a ‘cause’. 

In the UK social class and familial wealth are the determining factors in your life chances. Convincing people to re-racialise the discourse and persuade them into the cancer of identity politics is evil in intent and outcome. 

Out of interest, why do you reckon there are so few black managers and coaches in English football, despite so many players being black?