Racism in Football

[DCJonah]

3 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said:

Yes I do understand the message behind defund the police, and I don’t agree with it. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you, doesn’t make them any less intelligent, any less a person. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. It’s sections of society’s increasing inability to accept differing views that is causing increasing separation. 

Well I didn't say any of the above. I was asking a question because there seems to be a misunderstanding with some when it comes to that idea of defunding the police. 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but booing players trying to fight for racial equality seems to have racist tones to it.

[est1874]

Anyone trying to con other people into thinking their opposition to a message of anti-racism is a result of Marxism needs to take a long hard look at themselves and face up to the truth.

We see you.

Edited May 24, 2021 by est1874

[osmark86]

6 minutes ago, est1874 said:

Anyone trying to con other people into thinking their opposition to a message of anti-racism is a result of Marxism needs to take a long hard look at themselves and face up to the truth.

We see you.

it's intellectual dribbling on a high level.

[ml1dch]

10 minutes ago, est1874 said:

Anyone trying to con other people into thinking their opposition to a message of anti-racism is a result of Marxism needs to take a long hard look at themselves and face up to the truth.

If you want to know what positon someone actually takes on racism, take a look at what position they take on anti-racism.

[tomav84]

1 hour ago, Uncle Albert said:

Have you had a good look into the organisation?

what organisation? BLM? they distanced themselves from that organisation long ago. keep up.

repeatedly, its been said that it's pro-quality/anti racism gesture and in no way affiliated with any political party or organisation

to boo the taking of the knee, you are booing an anti racism gesture, not an organsiation. therefore, if you boo, you are a racist as far as i'm concerned

[hippo]

23 minutes ago, est1874 said:

Anyone trying to con other people into thinking their opposition to a message of anti-racism is a result of Marxism needs to take a long hard look at themselves and face up to the truth.

We see you.

The painful truth is taking the knee is now having a negative effect. 

No I don't have the answers. Sure I will get called out for doing nothing - but equally we are ploughing on with something which imo is having an adverse affect.

 

[OxfordVillan]

24 minutes ago, est1874 said:

Anyone trying to con other people into thinking their opposition to a message of anti-racism is a result of Marxism needs to take a long hard look at themselves and face up to the truth.

We see you.

Wow, just wow! I can’t fathom the words right now to describe your position. You’re heading towards totalitarian, my friend.

[hippo]

If you collect 100 black ants and 100 red ants and put them in a glass jar nothing will happen, but if you take the jar, shake it violently and leave it on the table, the ants will start killing each other. Reds believe that black is the enemy while black believes that red is the enemy when the real enemy is the person who shook the jar. The same is true in society.

[tomav84]

1 minute ago, hippo said:

The painful truth is taking the knee is now having a negative effect. 

No I don't have the answers. Sure I will get called out for doing nothing - but equally we are ploughing on with something which imo is having an adverse affect.

 

it could be argued that the 95% drowning out the 5% is making a stand in itself. those that booed yesterday might find themselves asking, "why am i in the minority here?" most wont, but if even 1 or 2 less people boo each time because they've gone away and educated themselves then that's progress.

i can see it being a 'thing' when more fans return. those in support of it won't wait for the boos before clapping and it will get to a point where you can't hear any booing at all.

[Davkaus]

It was definitely a bad move to initially reuse the "Black Lives Matter" slogan, because that has been sullied by politics, but yes, for about a year, they've distanced themselves from that. I feel quite confident stating that anyone claiming they boo the likes of Mings and Konsa taking a knee because of Marxism implications is either a dribbling moron, or a racist too cowardly to state their true views.

I'd hope that people who decide to boo are made to feel very, very unwelcome at Villa Park.

For as long as our players get masses of racist abuse when things aren't going well, I'm happy to support them protesting against it. 

[OxfordVillan]

44 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

I think almost everything these days that are supported by intellectuals are defined as marxist. Goes without saying those doing it aren't the sharpest, but it's starting to get a bit funny. 

Here’s Kenji putting himself as a higher being than the ill educated, thick, knuckle draggers who don’t agree with his every thought. Bravo, my friend…….that’s the way to win them over! 

[hippo]

Just now, tomav84 said:

it could be argued that the 95% drowning out the 5% is making a stand in itself. those that booed yesterday might find themselves asking, "why am i in the minority here?" most wont, but if even 1 or 2 less people boo each time because they've gone away and educated themselves then that's progress.

i can see it being a 'thing' when more fans return. those in support of it won't wait for the boos before clapping and it will get to a point where you can't hear any booing at all.

But that's the thing people aren't educating themselves. At best they keep silent on there biggoted views - but the discontent festers in silence.

How about the newspapers that stoke all this up with daft stories of immigrants claiming billions in benefits, or politicians who scramble helicopters because 40 migrants are crossing the channel. That's poking the fire - tackling that would energy better spent.

[OxfordVillan]

34 minutes ago, est1874 said:

Anyone trying to con other people into thinking their opposition to a message of anti-racism is a result of Marxism needs to take a long hard look at themselves and face up to the truth.

We see you.

I’m not sure you see the end of the nose on your own face! UTV

[StefanAVFC]

The best bit about it was booing the taking of the knee, and then chanting Dalian's name straight after.

Barely 3 brain cells to rubs together among the lot of them.

[osmark86]

1) you boo because you think taking the knee is related to BLM. you're wrong, so please desist.

2) you boo because you think taking the knee is a gesture supporting something you do not agree with. you're probably a racist word removed.

3) you boo because you like booing. don't go to games.

[Keyblade]

Calling it Marxist is one way to make BLM sound even cooler. Too bad it isn't true.

[est1874]

13 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said:

Wow, just wow! I can’t fathom the words right now to describe your position. You’re heading towards totalitarian, my friend.

If I were heading towards "totalitarian", you'd be heading towards card-carrying national socialism.

The majority aren't buying what you're selling here, they might welcome you with open arms on Stormfront or similar though.

[pas5898]

Just to give my two pence worth. 

Rightly or wrongly, taking the knee, is now associated with politics and BLM. To some that is not a good thing. Sky Sports, BT sport etc blasted BLM and the knee over every match for months, the 2 things are now intrinsinctly associated. 

Tyrone and many on here are frustrated because he believes those booing are bigots etc. 

I think all Villa fans, even those booing agree that an equal society is required. It would be good if the players could come up with another symbol, or act to show their desire for equal opportunity etc. One that's not been associated with BLM, but one that's associated with equal oppuntunity across the board and disassociated from politics. 

Edited May 24, 2021 by pas5898
Adding a but

[osmark86]

1 minute ago, Keyblade said:

Calling it Marxist is one way to make BLM sound even cooler. Too bad it isn't true.

I mean, yeah totally XD. 

[Phil Silvers]

Why can't the clubs do a tannoy announcement of the knee as something like please remain silent and help us (Aston Villa and the opposite team) in the fight against racism and not start the bloody game until everyone is silent. Booing should be enough to be ejected from the stadium. When idiots realise its going to cost them in the pocket and not see the game they will eventually give it up.