YLN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, blandy said: I don’t think it is. It never should be. I’m not defending the utter tube, but I’d rather he be treated appropriately than some public court of this moments outrage. Racism is just sick, as is racist abuse, yet punishment should still fit the crime, and education should be part of that. Irrelevant to those who made the decision to sack him. Not irrelevant generally. If all of a sudden wearing pink trousers was deemed outrageously offensive by people who for one reason or another do not own pink trousers, and you had an employee who went out wearing pink trousers and was pictured and on all the papers and everyone on social media was calling him a disgrace and subhuman and a monster, I'm guessing you would be pretty quick to pull the trigger and denounce him for wearing pink trousers, to avoid anyone suggesting that we look in the back of your wardrobe for any trousers with a hint of pink. And they're not going to care that they were white trousers that were put in the wash with a red sock. Once they see pink, you're going down. Not equating racist abuse with wearing pink trousers, but once social media decides that something is worthy of outrage, the punishment is going to be more severe than it would be in any court. Keep your head down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Keyblade said: I don't really see it as punishment, more that a company is making the business decision to no longer associate with an individual that hurts their image. Most companies advocate for inclusivity and against discrimination nowadays, so harboring a publicly outed racist would obviously go against that. if he was any good at his job he would still have it same at my place if you lost your license for drink driving, you would find out if they thought you were any good or not i bet the bloke that got to sack him had a wry smile and muttered "finally got you" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Racism in football will never die unless people actually accept that it is still present. Turning a blind eye to racism and passing it off as something else is equally as bad as the aggressor. This conversation does need many more legs and this has to be addressed for awareness. Edited December 12, 2018 by Reivax_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 On the subject of the fine people of Talksport, they dont want Norwich or Leeds to get promoted as they have foreign managers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 13, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 13, 2018 22 hours ago, YLN said: Irrelevant to those who made the decision to sack him. Not irrelevant generally... ...Not equating racist abuse with wearing pink trousers, but once social media decides that something is worthy of outrage, the punishment is going to be more severe than it would be in any court. Keep your head down. Ah, ok, gotcha. the social media and trial by it, is appalling. Not specific to this, but generally. Your pink trousers analogy is the problem. The court of social media decides they’re beyond the pale and then anyone who is rouge of garment is vilified to the end of the earth. It’s mental. pink trousers are a crime, mind! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 20:16, AVFC_Hitz said: Around ten years ago I heard some horrific stuff at a Chesterfield match. It involved the word monkey and the N word and went on until a steward escorted him out. It was strange because no one stopped him, but as he was 20m further on down the stand it was then that people shouted "**** off you racist clearing in the woods". Which comes on to..would you confront someone being openly racist at a game? I think it depends on the situation but I'd suggest that most people would not say something, even if they wanted to. When I had a ST in the lower North for a few years, there was a group of 4 or 5 youngish lads who'd sit behind us, one of them in particular would make racist comments throughout matches. Now as much as it revolted me and as much as I wanted to turn around and say shut up, I'm sitting there with my missus (most of the time) and am I really about to engage in a war with a group of 4/5 lads? No I'm not. I struggle with the validity of a debate around racism in football, racism is an issue in all walks of life, pinpointing sub-cultures and specific events is irrelevant. Once it goes away from society (if it ever does) then it goes away from football whereas I don't think it would work in reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted December 13, 2018 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 04:16, AVFC_Hitz said: Which comes on to..would you confront someone being openly racist at a game? I've done it. Twice. Once at Everton away and once at home in the Holte. Mind you both times I had the advantage of being higher up (sat behind) the numpties responsible and both times they were as weedy as me, and a bit inadequate. I dunno for sure if I'd do the same to some 18 stone Gorilla, but I'm glad I did it. Both times the response was along the lines of it was only banter (it wasn't) and then an embarrassed muttering, then silence. I just did a "c'mon, there's no need for that racist crap mate" not aggressively, just firmly, but unthreateningly. I felt pleased with myself, but had I been smacked in the face, I might have felt different. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 a part of me can't help but think Sterling suffers from the same problem as Diane Abbot , it's not your skin colour people object to , its the fact you are an enormous rocket polisher that said , Chelsea man may have specifically used the word "black" and therefore he has no argument , if you lost your job over it then boo hoo , serves you right for being a racist clearing in the woods if he said "Manc" then he's presumably free to argue his wrongful dismissal case via a tribunal , though I doubt he'll get far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 14, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, tonyh29 said: a part of me can't help but think Sterling suffers from the same problem as Diane Abbot , it's not your skin colour people object to , its the fact you are an enormous rocket polisher But he's not a massive rocket polisher is he? Why do you think he is? By all accounts (outside of the S*n and The Mail etc) he seems to be an incredibly good bloke. Edited December 14, 2018 by Stevo985 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: But he's not a massive rocket polisher is he? Why do you think he is? By all accounts (outside of the S*n and The Mail etc) he seems to be an incredibly good bloke. Obviously you're not keeping up Stevo. He bought his mom a sink. A SINK! Hanging's too good for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Yeah bit confused here not quite sure what Sterling has ever done wrong other than force moves to a new club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 14, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, VillaAlex said: Yeah bit confused here not quite sure what Sterling has ever done wrong other than force moves to a new club. Even that wasn't forcing a move. He just wouldn't sign a new Liverpool contract, asked to leave and Man City bought him. It's not like he went on strike or anything (as far as I remember) Again that was spun as money grabbing, but I said at the time it wasn't (just) money, he was going to a much much better club with much more chance of winning things, and the success he's had since then proves it. If he was only bothered about money then he would have held Liverpool to ransom even more and forced a higher contract out of them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 I wonder if Sterling had left another club like Everton or even Arsenal to go to City would he be getting same treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Liverpool are a club who aren't used to losing their best players, especially to other Premier League sides, so certain very vocal sections of their support behave like dickheads when it happens. Fernando Torres got dogs abuse when he left for Chelsea and while it petered out as it became clear Liverpool probably sold Torres at the exact right moment (and that this Suarez guy who came in on the same day as Torres left turned out to be quite decent) it was there for a while. I dare say if that stuff had happened two or three years later when social media was starting to hit a critical mass then it would have been uglier too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Chelsea fans singing anti-semetic chants in Hungary last night Edited December 14, 2018 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 sounds the like the FA are just looking for good PR if this is true Quote Sophie Jones 'quits football' after Sheffield United terminate contract following racial abuse suspension The former Sheffield United forward Sophie Jones has accused the Football Association of presiding over a “kangaroo court” and is quitting football because “I am unable to continue with football and play under an organisation that I do not have any confidence in”, after an Independent Regulatory Commission found her guilty of racially abusing Tottenham Hostpur’s Renee Hector. Jones was suspended for five matches with immediate effect, fined £200 and ordered to attend a Football Association education course. Following the verdict, Sheffield United said the player’s contract would be terminated by mutual agreement. Jones had denied the charge of “aggravated breach” of FA Rule E3(1) – using “abusive and/or insulting” language that includes “reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race” – towards an opponent during the Blades’ FA Women’s Championship fixture against Tottenham Hotspur Ladies on Jan 6, and still maintains her innocence. Hector, 23, alleged that she was subjected to monkey noises during her side’s 2-1 away win over Sheffield United, tweeting: “Such a shame that racism seems to be rising up again in football – I received some monkey noises today from an opposition player.” Hector said in a statement today: “There is no place for racism in our game. A zero tolerance policy is imperative in stamping out this from football. Therefore I welcome this verdict. No one should be subjected to racist abuse on or off the pitch and I felt a responsibility to call it out for what it was. View image on Twitter Sophie Jones@SuperSoph_xxx 75 6:01 PM - Mar 20, 2019 77 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy “I want to now concentrate on the last five games of the Women’s Championship and trying to secure promotion with Spurs.” Tottenham Hostpur Ladies said: “We welcome the decision made by the FA and that the appropriate action has been taken. There is no place for any sort of discriminatory language or behaviour in football.” Yet Jones retaliated in a statement of her own in which she extensively criticised the hearing, claiming key evidence was ignored. She said: “I am struggling to come to terms with this decision and how the FA can come to a verdict based on probability from the two witness accounts verbally given, instead of reviewing the case and the evidence, in its entirety, based on the Sport Law and Practice Second Edition stating ‘the more serious the allegation the greater degree of satisfaction required.’.” Renée Hector@renazzza Such a shame that racism seems to be rising up again in football - I received some monkey noises today from an opposition player. The only reaction was to let the football do the talking and that we did great start to the year! @ThlfcOfficial #COYSL #SHEvTOT #KickItOut 1,531 4:39 PM - Jan 6, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 573 people are talking about this Jones claims the FA independent panel reached their verdict despite receiving more than ten witness statements “including Tottenham Hotspur players, also all the match officials all confirming they did not hear racial abuse”. Jones also alleges that video evidence was disregarded by the panel and an audio transcript of the incident came back clear after review. She added that two witness statements from Spurs players contradicted each other and that “my barrister was constantly being shut down by the independent panel when trying to discredit the two witness statements. In short, he wasn’t allowed to do his job.” She continued: “The hearing took place in a kangaroo court. It is with a heavy heart that I feel I am unable to continue with football and play under an organisation that I do not have any confidence in.” Jones, who began her career with hometown team Liverpool before joining Sheffield United last year following spells with Preston North End, Blackburn Rovers and Sheffield FC, was charged in February. An FA Spokesperson said: "The case against Sophie Jones was heard by an Independent Regulatory Commission comprising two independent lawyers and a former football player and manager. "The written reasons in the case will be published in due course, which will provide a detailed account of the evidence given and the findings of the commission. The FA continues to treat all allegations of discrimination seriously and encourages any players who believe they have been the subject of, or witness to, discriminatory abuse to report this through the appropriate channels." A Sheffield United spokesperson said after the verdict: “Jones maintains her innocence and is disappointed with the FA’s decision. “The club works closely with the English Football League, the FA and Kick it Out and would like to reiterate that it does not condone racism or any form of discrimination. “Following dialogue between the club and Jones, and taking into account the length of the suspension, it has been decided that her contract, which was due for review in the summer, will be terminated by mutual agreement. Sheffield United will not comment further on this matter.” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/20/sheffield-united-striker-sophie-jones-given-five-match-suspension/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I haven't seen this anywhere, but the Moise Kean situation from the other day is absolutely horrible. Some of the responses have been laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I've seen the bonucci nonsense (basically suggested he incited them) not seen allegri also saying something daft Potentially the best kid Juve have produced in a while, biggest club in Italy and trying to be right up there globally, bad bad choices from them, way off, sure balotelli used to get some shit too when he was coming through at inter His celebration wasn't that bad either!! Abused for 80 odd minutes, scores the winner, he can do what he likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 4, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2019 Bonucci's comments are absolutely disgusting, especially when you consider it's his **** teammate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Bonucci's comments are absolutely disgusting, especially when you consider it's his **** teammate! His backtracking is even more pathetic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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