GENTLEMAN Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Never got it. Would other fans of English teams cheer for Villa or Liverpool fans cheer City, United or Everton I cheered the scouse goal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What is wrong with people all these sides have historically been our domestic rivals. I dont like any one who has been our rival and never will. All the praise and media bumming they will all get now makes me physically sick. The thought of Jack putting on that jersey would have broke me. Really dont understand why fans of other clubs would ever want the English clubs to do well. Proper fans surely want them to get trounced just so they can have that shaudenfreud feeling thats oh so sweet 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, GENTLEMAN said: Im happy about it. Am I in the minority? I used to want English sides to loose in Europe but now we are not in competition with those sides I would rather sides the English sides do well the than the Spanish or Italian Clubs. Anyway tonight Liverpool were by far the better team and should have won the game by 4 or 5 goals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: I used to want English sides to loose in Europe but now we are not in competition with those sides I would rather sides the English sides do well the than the Spanish or Italian Clubs. Anyway tonight Liverpool were by far the better team and should have won the game by 4 or 5 goals. Mane, Wijnaldum and Salah missed a bucketload of chances, no idea what happened to Firmino he looks a shadow of last season player. Napoli were garbage until about 70th minute when somebody realised Arnold is crap defensively and exposed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: What is wrong with people all these sides have historically been our domestic rivals. I dont like any one who has been our rival and never will. All the praise and media bumming they will all get now makes me physically sick. The thought of Jack putting on that jersey would have broke me. Really dont understand why fans of other clubs would ever want the English clubs to do well. Proper fans surely want them to get trounced just so they can have that shaudenfreud feeling thats oh so sweet I appreciate your argument. The tribalism is hard to switch off. Perhaps just an individual thing. Although the majority of fans I’ve met are more like you. I have often wondered why I feel like this (as it’s a feeling rather than a thought). I’ve sort of reasoned that I love the romance of football and it’s multi-textured narratives. It really is more than a game. Indeed, clubs and their communities are inextricably interwoven, although modern commercialism is eroding this. As such, I have more in common with the working class communities that bore such English clubs. I feel more associated to the communities of Liverpool than Naples. Ergo I cheer them. In some aspects it’s a shared national tribalism that supersedes local tribalism. The football media aspect I think is just a symptom of modern journalism; polarised and hyperbolic. So I find it amusing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Ospina did a Nyland It does make you question the ferocity of critism directed toward Nyland given what’s happening at the top level of the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 The Salah and Dembele goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Fuming, was really looking forward to Spurs imploding but that extra bit of revenue might just save them. Here's hoping they miss out on top 4 to make up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Yeah, another £50m and potentially much more to already bloated clubs we are some day hoping to once again compete with. 'Great! Always want English clubs to fail, always. Even thou I support IFK Göteborg in Sweden I want other Swedish clubs to do well in Europe because it helps Swedish football with rankings and revenue. It's vital since there is no money in Swedish football. I might even root for AIK (I wont) next season. PL football is already swimming in more money then they have sense to handle, I rather these clubs crash and burn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 13 hours ago, Zatman said: Mane, Wijnaldum and Salah missed a bucketload of chances, no idea what happened to Firmino he looks a shadow of last season player. Napoli were garbage until about 70th minute when somebody realised Arnold is crap defensively and exposed him Credit to Liverpool for making them look garbage. Arnold got injured and I agreed about Firminho he has been poor this season. Thought Milner played well and Robertson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted December 12, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, sne said: Even thou I support IFK Göteborg in Sweden I want other Swedish clubs to do well in Europe because it helps Swedish football with rankings and revenue. It's vital since there is no money in Swedish football. The only problem is that there is a risk of one club earning waaaay more money than the others and run away with it. I have no problem the league being a bit shitty, as long as it's competitive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Tegis said: The only problem is that there is a risk of one club earning waaaay more money than the others and run away with it. I have no problem the league being a bit shitty, as long as it's competitive. Yeah, true. Thank god Malmö FF waited so long to spend their money on an actual manager. They should be far and away from the other clubs had they been a bit smarter. Just like IFK should still be had they not squandered all the money they made in the 90's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Tegis said: The only problem is that there is a risk of one club earning waaaay more money than the others and run away with it. I have no problem the league being a bit shitty, as long as it's competitive. Pretty much happened in Ireland with Dundalk and they only got Europa money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Real Madrid 0-3 CSKA Moscow about to do the double over the reigning champs of the last 3 seasons and still finish bottom of the group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Disappointed. Want all English clubs to fail in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 22 hours ago, GENTLEMAN said: Ha! I’ve always been like this, even with the special cases of Utd and Liverpool; owing to their claims of being ‘seperate’ to England and English football. Just think it’s a great advert for English football. Perhaps it’s pride by association or maybe I’m just a little englander in the modern sense of the term I respect your view and everything but (IMO) there is nothing really 'English' about Liverpool, Man City or Man Utd anymore apart from the fact they happen to be based here. Owned overseas, overseas manager and 95% of the players are foreign and have no real connection to the club or area. They're not representing England in my eyes. Perhaps back in the days of Beckham, Scholes, Neville, Gerrard, Owen, Fowler etc I may have rooted for them more as it was good to see home grown players play against the best in the world. It's not like that anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 United could have won the group tonight and ballsed it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Can see Bayern bringing Heynckes back again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, Xela said: I respect your view and everything but (IMO) there is nothing really 'English' about Liverpool, Man City or Man Utd anymore apart from the fact they happen to be based here. Owned overseas, overseas manager and 95% of the players are foreign and have no real connection to the club or area. They're not representing England in my eyes. Perhaps back in the days of Beckham, Scholes, Neville, Gerrard, Owen, Fowler etc I may have rooted for them more as it was good to see home grown players play against the best in the world. It's not like that anymore. Yeah I’m a hopeless romantic . Football has most definitely evolved into this multinational sterile machine. Yet I think the community is English, the roots are English, the fan base and the culture at those clubs too. I’m based in Manchester, have been most of my life, and the overseas purchase of City has been tremendous for the city of Manchester. Massive investment in the local area and infrastructure of Gorton. Great links with the local communities, mostly involving youngsters. A great and renewed sense of pride for the club and the city. Even with the introduction of a multitude of cultures, the club still feels distinctly Manc and English. I think the same could be argued for Liverpool. Therefore I reassert this is the reason that I feel more connected to the English clubs compared to overseas ones, even in the modern era. That said I totally appreciate the local tribalism. Just an individual thing. Anyway back to midweek footie. The City Hoffenheim game has been a good watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Interesting challenge by Muller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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