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VillaJ100 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: isnt there some sort of crazy stat table thats "goals vs the top 4" in the premier league and messi is 3rd on it despite never actually playing here been argued every few pages, if messi was a shit club or a club that dominates a poor league then fair enough but he's not, he's at the biggest club in the world, why would he leave? and i also think its lacking a bit of analysis of how his role at barca has changed, they seemingly move him about every year and he still does it, xavi and iniesta have gone and he still does it, he's on about his 6th or 7th manager and he still does it, barca have changed while he's been there but he's remained consistently brilliant no matter how they use him I agree with most except Barca being the biggest club in the world, I Madrid are ahead there by a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: , i think ronaldo is fondly remembered here for his time at utd but to me he was still young, did some incredible stuff, some immature stuff but he only had that 1 year where he was properly ridiculous, i think he stepped up another couple of levels at madrid, in 5 out of his 6 seasons at united he wasnt in the conversation for best footballer of all time, i think his performances and achievements at madrid slightly muddy the waters as to what he did here, he was simply a better player at madrid He was very raw when he landed at Man Utd. He never had the benefit of being in a system like Barca from the age of 13 like Messi was (that's not a criticism of Messi BTW). Ronaldo learned in the toughest league and just got better and better for Utd - that one season as you say, he was ridiculous. Then he went to Madrid and just got even better! 450 goals in 438 games. Mental! Now he is doing great in a new country at the age of 34. While Messi is a legend, I feel he wouldn't have been as good in England than a peak Ronaldo would have been. Just my opinion like. I understand why Messi has never moved - why would you? He is the focal point of a team like Barcelona! Ronaldo though earns more points for me by moving to Juve at the age of 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Xela said: He was very raw when he landed at Man Utd. He never had the benefit of being in a system like Barca from the age of 13 like Messi was (that's not a criticism of Messi BTW). Ronaldo learned in the toughest league and just got better and better for Utd - that one season as you say, he was ridiculous. Then he went to Madrid and just got even better! 450 goals in 438 games. Mental! Now he is doing great in a new country at the age of 34. While Messi is a legend, I feel he wouldn't have been as good in England than a peak Ronaldo would have been. Just my opinion like. I understand why Messi has never moved - why would you? He is the focal point of a team like Barcelona! Ronaldo though earns more points for me by moving to Juve at the age of 33. Ronaldo earns more points for going to the most dominant domestic side in Europe outside of PSG? Slight lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, bobzy said: Ronaldo earns more points for going to the most dominant domestic side in Europe outside of PSG? Slight lol. Is he supposed to go to Bournemouth and win the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Is he supposed to go to Bournemouth and win the league? They'd definitely qualify for Europe with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, villalad21 said: Is he supposed to go to Bournemouth and win the league? No, absolutely not. He's an elite level footballer and should be at one of the best clubs in the world (and is). But to claim it's somehow better to "prove yourself" at a side that has won 8 Serie A titles in a row doesn't sit right with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, bobzy said: No, absolutely not. He's an elite level footballer and should be at one of the best clubs in the world (and is). But to claim it's somehow better to "prove yourself" at a side that has won 8 Serie A titles in a row doesn't sit right with me. True, still it's been a long time since Juve won ucl though, that's the challenge really, forget about the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Many big name strikers have moved to other top teams in big leagues and never really hit if off especially not at 33. Shevchenko to Chelsea, Ibra to Barcelona, Suker to Arsenal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 8 hours ago, bobzy said: Ronaldo earns more points for going to the most dominant domestic side in Europe outside of PSG? Slight lol. He should have joined Bari instead? Slightly bigger lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Ronaldo is clearly better, having done it for minnows like Juve and Man Utd. Anyone could do what Messi's done at Barca. Edited March 14, 2019 by MrDuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Xela said: He should have joined Bari instead? Slightly bigger lol Completely missed the point. Juve is an easier ask than performing as he did for Real Madrid. It’s the easiest ask going in European Football other than PSG (in terms of top sides). It isn’t a challenge at all. Edit: Thus, how does he “earn points” for it?! Edited March 14, 2019 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Ronaldo currently is the number 1 goalscorer messi is number 2 goalscorer. Number 1 assists,playmaker,vision,passing,dribbling & 1v1 ronaldo doing it at the biggest club in each league he's played in does not give him extra credit the real comparison is their records in la liga when they were in direct competition. In this comparison it's not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, dakid007 said: Ronaldo currently is the number 1 goalscorer messi is number 2 goalscorer. Number 1 assists,playmaker,vision,passing,dribbling & 1v1 ronaldo doing it at the biggest club in each league he's played in does not give him extra credit the real comparison is their records in la liga when they were in direct competition. In this comparison it's not even close Messi is actually 3rd on the Champions League assist list. Ronaldo is top and Giggs is 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Champions league isn't a direct comparison. La liga is the only comparison that is fair ronaldo has never been the best player in a cl final. Was anonymous for 1 for Utd and 2 for madrid. If you watch Madrid games you will know he is usually the match winner but not the best player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, dakid007 said: Champions league isn't a direct comparison. La liga is the only comparison that is fair ronaldo has never been the best player in a cl final. Was anonymous for 1 for Utd and 2 for madrid. If you watch Madrid games you will know he is usually the match winner but not the best player mm the 2017 final he was the best player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I think people are forgetting that Ronaldo has played a lot more matches in the Champions League, his goal to game ratio is less than Messi's. At the end of the day you can cherry pick the stats but you can just tell Messi is the better player by watching them both. Ronaldo is brilliant, but Messi does Ronaldo and David Silva's jobs at the same time. Yesterday Barca were rocking a bit when Lyon were looking like equalising, so he just got the ball, left two players on the floor and scored, then set two more goals on a plate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 He was mom but was not up to much in 4 other finals. Messi overshadowed him in 1 & bale overshadowed him in another wheresas messi has been the best player on the pitch in each cl final he has played in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, sharkyvilla said: I think people are forgetting that Ronaldo has played a lot more matches in the Champions League, his goal to game ratio is less than Messi's. At the end of the day you can cherry pick the stats but you can just tell Messi is the better player by watching them both. Ronaldo is brilliant, but Messi does Ronaldo and David Silva's jobs at the same time. Yesterday Barca were rocking a bit when Lyon were looking like equalising, so he just got the ball, left two players on the floor and scored, then set two more goals on a plate. Good point. If ronaldo goals had dried up by 20% he would be not even in the convo where as messi would be the best number 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 For me Messi will always get the nod because he can do things with a football which I don't think anybody else has ever been able to doi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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