QldVilla Posted May 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, briny_ear said: No, thanks for the “advice”, but I don’t think I missed anything at all. If we finish above Leeds, we will have done better than them. If vice versa, the opposite. There really isn’t any other objective measure. Yes there is, a lot more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted May 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: And people saying "It doesn't matter if we don't finish above Leeds" You might as well say it doesn't matter if we don't finish in the top half. Of course it matters. Finishing in the top half would mean us being more attractive to players in the marked. It would mean more money in the pot. It's also a big confidence booster to the players. Just letting the season fizzle out and finishing 11th-12th would be seriously frustrating after being in the top half for so long. Not just disappointing for the fans but it will be equally devestating to the players. I just hate this fan mentality of "We're safe from relegation so who cares?" That's not me. Never will be. That’s not what anyone is saying. You have to take all the evidence into consideration, not just what suits your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 10 hours ago, QldVilla said: you don’t understand football. Well, we can see that's the case by now. Every post is PFE and begging for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted May 16, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think you’re missing the point. Nobody is denying that Leeds have done better than us if they finish above us. They are just fed up of hearing that Leeds or any other promoted team are a measure of Aston Villa’s progress. Agreed. Let’s say next season, hypothetically - Villa finish 7th (hurrah), Leeds finish 14th (muted disappointment in some sections of VT) But wait a second...look what else has happened in this made up example... Norwich have finished 6th!!! Presumably that despite yet another theoretical progression, this would be a failure for some on here? Letting a promoted club finish ahead of us? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 10 hours ago, blandy said: There’s some peculiar takes in this thread. Mine is that Villa have progressed massively under Dean Smith. Long shot to go up. Done. Hard job to stay up. Done. Decent progress this season. Done. as for next season’s aims for him. Well, over taking Man City? Not realistic. Man United then? Also not realistic. Chelsea? No. Liverpool? Also unrealistic. So top 4 demands would be daft. How about Leicester? They’re doing the same as Villa behind the scenes and are a way ahead. So really the pinnacle next year would be around 6th, but that’s a massive stretch. Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Wolves and Leeds will all be aiming the same. We can’t all get there. Improve the strength in depth, enhance the premiership nouse. Challenge for a cup and for Europe, bring through some youth and play good entertaining football. Can this be pinned somewhere on the front page of VT? It would save a lot of the going round in circles arguments that appear in this thread. Great post. All we can do is focus on improving ourselves. We can't stop other teams having successful seasons. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Piss poor mentality in this team. Doesn't look good on the players and it doesn't look good on the coaching team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Why can't he work out El Ghazi cannot ever play right midfield. 2 years it's been. Shocking subs as usual. Made a real mess of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Crystal Palace could have scored 6 or 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 It is frustrating that we are so slow om subbing... We been overrunned in entire second half. Why did we not put in Nakamba for Luiz after 60 min? Now we are using three steiners, and we Will have no service it seems like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Shame we threw it away, still happy to give him this summer but we need to see more progress next season. Really need more quality not quantity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 His game management is **** diabolical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Sorry that one is on Dean, too slow with the substitutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_1989 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I don’t think Smith will be here come Christmas - will be under pressure next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Got taken to school by a reanimated corpse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Terrible showing from Dean Smith today, blame him for the loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Poor game, after the first 15 minutes it looked like we'd coast it. Two back up players in defence didn't help. I don't know what they're seeing in Ramsay. Awful defending for the 2nd and 3rd goals. Oh well. Season over. Onto next. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 23 shots against versus one of the worst attacking teams in the league. Edited May 16, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted May 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, villalad21 said: 23 shots against against one of the worst attacking teams in the league. didnt they beat your beloved Leeds 4-1? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 When was the last time we had a manager who could make tactical changes and adapt to a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Mantis said: His game management is **** diabolical. Only when we lose. What about the 10 game winning streak? The run to keep us up last season? The progress this year? No one ever mentions it unless we lose. It's hilariously predictable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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