Popular Post DCJonah Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Of course it matters. How can you say that it doesn't? Leeds along with Everton and West Ham are direct rivals going for those European spots in the coming seasons. If they are already ahead of us bare in mind they were playing in the Champipnship last season that's bad news. We've had a 1 year headstart of them and should be clear of them. In my mind we need to have a miraculous summer window. If we really still are this reliant on Grealish then God help us if he picks up another injury next season. Just such poor logic. Wolves have had 2 years on us and we've caught them. Look at the years Everton and Arsenal have in their head start on us and we're right behind them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Just such poor logic. Wolves have had 2 years on us and we've caught them. Look at the years Everton and Arsenal have in their head start on us and we're right behind them. That is different. Established pl clubs We should be playing catch up to them. We shouldn't be playing catchup to Leeds. Edited May 15, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: That is different. Established pl clubs We should be playing catch up to them. We shouldn't be playing catchup to Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, villalad21 said: That is different. Established pl clubs We should be playing catch up to them. We shouldn't be playing catchup to Leeds. Potentially 1 point behind them after tomorrow on even games played, with Jack out for a third of the season. What the **** are you talking about? We’ve got nothing to worry about with Leeds anyway, because they’re a League 2 level side without Bielsa apparently and he’s overdue leaving the club. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, a m ole said: Potentially 1 point behind them after tomorrow on even games played, with Jack out for a third of the season. What the **** are you talking about? We’ve got nothing to worry about with Leeds anyway, because they’re a League 2 level side without Bielsa apparently and he’s overdue leaving the club. So we need a fully fit Jack to finish above a team who played championship football last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) Ignore functionality is pointless if you keep quoting him. Edited May 15, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 26 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Ignore functionality is pointless if you people keep quoting him. Fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted May 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2021 42 minutes ago, villalad21 said: So we need a fully fit Jack to finish above a team who played championship football last season? On that logic, Leeds will be relegated like Sheffield Utd next season. If all you do is focus on the table, you don’t understand football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 We're ahead of 6 sides that had a "headstart" on us but it's more of a problem that one single example to the contrary is currently the case, apparently. Some people like saying you're "not allowed an opinion" when in reality it's more the case that if you don't want to have your opinion called mental...you shouldn't say things that are mental. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, QldVilla said: On that logic, Leeds will be relegated like Sheffield Utd next season. If all you do is focus on the table, you don’t understand football. Nail. Head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, QldVilla said: On that logic, Leeds will be relegated like Sheffield Utd next season. If all you do is focus on the table, you don’t understand football. Quite, winning matches and gaining points has NOTHING to do with football. How could any fool think anything different? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted May 15, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 There’s some peculiar takes in this thread. Mine is that Villa have progressed massively under Dean Smith. Long shot to go up. Done. Hard job to stay up. Done. Decent progress this season. Done. as for next season’s aims for him. Well, over taking Man City? Not realistic. Man United then? Also not realistic. Chelsea? No. Liverpool? Also unrealistic. So top 4 demands would be daft. How about Leicester? They’re doing the same as Villa behind the scenes and are a way ahead. So really the pinnacle next year would be around 6th, but that’s a massive stretch. Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, West Ham, Wolves and Leeds will all be aiming the same. We can’t all get there. Improve the strength in depth, enhance the premiership nouse. Challenge for a cup and for Europe, bring through some youth and play good entertaining football. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Quite, winning matches and gaining points has NOTHING to do with football. How could any fool think anything different? You may have missed a word from what you were replying to “If all you do is focus on the table” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, blandy said: You may have missed a word from what you were replying to “If all you do is focus on the table” No, thanks for the “advice”, but I don’t think I missed anything at all. If we finish above Leeds, we will have done better than them. If vice versa, the opposite. There really isn’t any other objective measure. Edited May 15, 2021 by briny_ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 And people saying "It doesn't matter if we don't finish above Leeds" You might as well say it doesn't matter if we don't finish in the top half. Of course it matters. Finishing in the top half would mean us being more attractive to players in the marked. It would mean more money in the pot. It's also a big confidence booster to the players. Just letting the season fizzle out and finishing 11th-12th would be seriously frustrating after being in the top half for so long. Not just disappointing for the fans but it will be equally devestating to the players. I just hate this fan mentality of "We're safe from relegation so who cares?" That's not me. Never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, villalad21 said: And people saying "It doesn't matter if we don't finish above Leeds" You might as well say it doesn't matter if we don't finish in the top half. Of course it matters. Finishing in the top half would mean us being more attractive to players in the marked. It would mean more money in the pot. It's also a big confidence booster to the players. Just letting the season fizzle out and finishing 11th-12th would be seriously frustrating after being in the top half for so long. Not just disappointing for the fans but it will be equally devestating to the players. I just hate this fan mentality of "We're safe from relegation so who cares?" That's not me. Never will be. So one place makes a massive difference? That trophy that you get for finishing 10th is going to make Leeds a really attractive proposition. The players who finished 17th last season will be absolutely devastated to finish 11th. You’re not even trying anymore! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted May 15, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 Well, at this stage in Villa’s recovery and trying to reassert their place in the top flight, it doesn’t massively matter if Villa finish in the top half. The difference between 1st and 2nd is huge. The difference between 17th and 18th is huge (probably bigger than 1st and 2nd). There’s the difference between 4th and 5th. Europa spot and no europa spot. Not as big a difference but it’s there. Difference between 9 - 12th? Not that much of an issue really. Yeah I’d rather finish 9th, but I’m not going to get all mopey if it doesn’t happen. The trajectory is still going the right way as it always has done since Smith took over. As for attracting players, finishing 17th was good enough to attract Arsenal’s best keeper and the best player in the championship. I reckon being a midtable side on the up, Villa can expect a similar calibre of player to be interested in being part of where things might go next season. But you know, not finishing in the top half is something tangible to complain about, so hey, why not? I didn’t quote him, @Vive_La_Villa - I did that for you. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Next season we should be aiming for 50 points and make the FA Cup the priority. Leicester winning has made me want it even more. The league cup would be great but the majic of the FA Cup is back after the Leicester win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 49 minutes ago, briny_ear said: No, thanks for the “advice”, but I don’t think I missed anything at all. If we finish above Leeds, we will have done better than them. If vice versa, the opposite. There really isn’t any other objective measure. Extreme example to make a simple point, but if Liverpool had finished 10th on 50 points and West Brom finished 11th on 50 points but with a worse goal difference - have Liverpool done better than the Baggies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, briny_ear said: No, thanks for the “advice”, but I don’t think I missed anything at all. If we finish above Leeds, we will have done better than them. If vice versa, the opposite. There really isn’t any other objective measure. I think you’re missing the point. Nobody is denying that Leeds have done better than us if they finish above us. They are just fed up of hearing that Leeds or any other promoted team are a measure of Aston Villa’s progress. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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