Guest av1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, mjmooney said: This is also where the 'one of our own' thing comes in. Being a known Villa fan has no relevance to how good a Villa boss he may turn out to be, but it might buy him a bit more tolerance from the fanbase. Agreed. Being a villa fan and having a history of playing good football will instantly bring a feel good factor back to VP. Ofcourse he will still need to get results, but if we see progression he will be given time and support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, sne said: Obviously I really hope Dean Smith turns out to be a success, pretty sure we all do. But what I really want is for us as a club to create some structure that means that we don't have to start from scratch every time we change manager. And that's exactly why we must take a long term view. Smith, CP and the new DOF of football have been brought in for that purpose. Which is why we have someone like Smith and not Big Sam at the healm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, av1 said: And that's exactly why we must take a long term view. Smith, CP and the new DOF of football have been brought in for that purpose. Which is why we have someone like Smith and not Big Sam at the healm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, av1 said: And that's exactly why we must take a long term view. Smith, CP and the new DOF of football have been brought in for that purpose. Which is why we have someone like Smith and not Big Sam at the healm. well yes. But we must make sure that he's only a cog in the piece and not the be all and end all. Hoping we create a whole new structure with loads of more people to make sure Smith has the tools to build from the small scale job he did at Brentford. Villa is a whole other ball game, just replicating the structure they have over there wont be enough. would be unfair to him to expect him to both handle the first team and recreate the club structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest av1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, sne said: well yes. But we must make sure that he's only a cog in the piece and not the be all and end all. Hoping we create a whole new structure with loads of more people to make sure Smith has the tools to build from the small scale job he did at Brentford. Agreed. 4 minutes ago, sne said: Villa is a whole other ball game, just replicating the structure they have over there wont be enough. I'd be bloody delighted if we could recreate the Brentford stucture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael118 said: Gis a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, av1 said: Gis a clue See my posts in the Richard O'Kelly thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 minute ago, av1 said: Agreed. I'd be bloody delighted if we could recreate the Brentford stucture. Sure, but at Villa it must be on a much larger scale, especially the scouting part. And I hope we are not banking on Smith to build that structure because he was "just" Head Coach and played little or no part in building that structure at Brentford. They tried something like 4 head coaches in about 2 years before they found the right on in Smith. Club must create a structure that Smith can thrive as head coach in, sure he can offer helpful input into how to do it. But he should no be the one to build it. Think it is important that we build our own identity and not try too far to copy some other club. All respect to Brentford for doing what they've done thou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, sne said: Sure, but at Villa it must be on a much larger scale, especially the scouting part. And I hope we are not banking on Smith to build that structure because he was "just" Head Coach and played little or no part in building that structure at Brentford. They tried something like 4 head coaches in about 2 years before they found the right on in Smith. Club must create a structure that Smith can thrive as head coach in, sure he can offer helpful input into how to do it. But he should no be the one to build it. Think it is important that we build our own identity and not try too far to copy some other club. All respect to Brentford for doing what they've done thou. Pitarch has experience of running the kind of setup you're talking about, so he'll no doubt have been horrified with what he's found and be setting about dragging us into this century. More resources at Villa will mena more resources for the structure needed for the goals of the project. It'll be Pitarch's baby on the football side at least in terms of the structure and roles etc. Smith's baby in terms of what actually happens on the pitch, and a group effort to get Smith the setup and raw materials he needs in terms of coaches and players to implement the new thinking. Exciting stuff. We can certainly learn from Brentford, Pitarch will bring lessons from big spanish clubs too, Purslow has seen those kinds of ideas implemented at big UK clubs too. We're late on this stuff but it finally looks like we're sorting it out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post foreveryoung Posted October 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2018 I think the only reason we will give this manager time and support is because he has not managed the Bloose. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, DCJonah said: Failing to get us promoted, spending huge amounts and building nothing but a squad of old players and short term loans is a disaster. Leaving us worse off than he found us is a disaster. You can celebrate the achievement of losing a playoff final if you want, but his 2 year period has left more of a mess than he inherited. No chance Smith does the same. I suspect you are conveniently forgetting what a mess we were in when he took over. But, like I’ve said before, you have given the benchmark by which to judge Dean Smith. No way will he achieve less than the “failure” of a playoff final. We can track progress as the season progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I suspect you are conveniently forgetting what a mess we were in when he took over. But, like I’ve said before, you have given the benchmark by which to judge Dean Smith. No way will he achieve less than the “failure” of a playoff final. We can track progress as the season progresses. If all he achieves by the end of next season is a playoff final he would have failed. Finishing 7th or losing 1-0 in the playoff final is the same failure in my opinion. As it was with Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, briny_ear said: That gives us a good benchmark to judge Smith by then. If getting to the playoff final and missing the premier league by a single goal is a “disaster”, Smith has to do better than this to be judged not a “disaster”. You do know Brucie has gone now don’t you Briny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 So will we be allowed to have any kind of opinion on him before he has had a full season, a pre-season and millions to spend? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I suspect you are conveniently forgetting what a mess we were in when he took over. But, like I’ve said before, you have given the benchmark by which to judge Dean Smith. No way will he achieve less than the “failure” of a playoff final. We can track progress as the season progresses. I assume that's tongue firmly in cheek, you don't expect promotion this year or Smith has failed do you? Bruce was given a hell of a lot more rope than that before he hung himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: If all he achieves by the end of next season is a playoff final he would have failed. Finishing 7th or losing 1-0 in the playoff final is the same failure in my opinion. As it was with Bruce. Agreed. We finished 4th and then beat Boro, it can be spun both ways. Edited October 13, 2018 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, sne said: So will we be allowed to have any kind of opinion on him before he has had a full season, a pre-season and millions to spend? When and if you do, make sure you do it on Facebook. If it is anything less than complimentary you will be told to "get behind the lads or piss off and support Blues". Unless that only worked under Bruce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bully Posted October 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2018 All this talk of the amazing Brentford structure, how did it work in this instance? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34353488 Quote Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho paid a huge compliment to promotion-chasing Walsall by labelling Dean Smith's Saddlers' playing style the best he has ever seen from any League One side. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 If we don't beat Swansea 4-0 , after having 18 shots on target, 78% possession, 560 completed passes. I'll be disappointed. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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