The Fun Factory Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zatman said: For some reason and I dont know why but Smith seems to be generally disliked by opposition fans That's strange. Most non Villa fans I know like him as he is the local lad living the dream. As soon as we become a threat to the big boys they may dislike him! It has been difficult for Smith in terms of time coaching the team. He was right that the lock down is the longest time he has had with the players without any matches in coaching them. He came in mid season in October in the Championship in which you play so many games, and that was right up to late May for the play offs. Then he had barely a two month break in which there was a large turnover of players. Now it is going to be even shorter, 6 weeks with more players changes. Edited July 28, 2020 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Also wanted to note, with an ineffective attack it puts more pressure on the defence n causes our better players such as Jack to fall back, not great when the ball keeps coming back & invites pressure from the opposing team... Jack wins a hell of a lot (record breaking in fact ) of fouls & free kicks which we really should be taking advantage of. As well as strengthening in attack, we really need to take make the most of set pieces. We have some big lads who should really be getting goals from corners too. I would like to Jack removed from free kicks & corners as I don’t think it’s one of his strengths. We need a specialist (who can also play). We can really improve with the right signings now and attack is the priority, maybe Deano will be able to makes us much more of an attacking force then and there will be less reliance on Jack (who can be even more effective). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichiBoi11 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Also wanted to note, with an ineffective attack it puts more pressure on the defence n causes our better players such as Jack to fall back, not great when the ball keeps coming back & invites pressure from the opposing team... Jack wins a hell of a lot (record breaking in fact ) of fouls & free kicks which we really should be taking advantage of. As well as strengthening in attack, we really need to take make the most of set pieces. We have some big lads who should really be getting goals from corners too. I would like to Jack removed from free kicks & corners as I don’t think it’s one of his strengths. We need a specialist (who can also play). We can really improve with the right signings now and attack is the priority, maybe Deano will be able to makes us much more of an attacking force then and there will be less reliance on Jack (who can be even more effective). I agree, considering the size of some of our players it's actually shocking we aren't more of a threat from corners and free kicks. It definitely needs working on, and a dead ball specialist would be a good step in the right direction on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, nick76 said: and some Villa fans it seems.... Nobody here "dislikes" Dean Smith. This is a petty way of having a dig at people who have criticised some of his management if we are being honest. I've not seen ONE fan intimate to not liking him as a person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, nick76 said: and some Villa fans it seems.... Being critical does not equate with dislike. Speaking for myself, I have been critical, but I like the guy, and of course he is also a fellow Villa fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Nobody here "dislikes" Dean Smith. This is a petty way of having a dig at people who have criticised some of his management if we are being honest. I've not seen ONE fan intimate to not liking him as a person. Did I disliked as a person, I said disliked.....you can surely see the semantic difference? From early in his Villa career some haven’t liked Dean Smith before even the slide we had pre lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said: Being critical does not equate with dislike. Speaking for myself, I have been critical, but I like the guy, and of course he is also a fellow Villa fan. Some people think there is an agenda which there clearly isn't. Some fans doesn't think he is good enough to take us where we need to be. That's it. It's nothing personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 46 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Also wanted to note, with an ineffective attack it puts more pressure on the defence n causes our better players such as Jack to fall back, not great when the ball keeps coming back & invites pressure from the opposing team... Jack wins a hell of a lot (record breaking in fact ) of fouls & free kicks which we really should be taking advantage of. As well as strengthening in attack, we really need to take make the most of set pieces. We have some big lads who should really be getting goals from corners too. I would like to Jack removed from free kicks & corners as I don’t think it’s one of his strengths. We need a specialist (who can also play). We can really improve with the right signings now and attack is the priority, maybe Deano will be able to makes us much more of an attacking force then and there will be less reliance on Jack (who can be even more effective). Should be Luiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Some people think there is an agenda which there clearly isn't. Some fans doesn't think he is good enough to take us where we need to be. That's it. It's nothing personal. I don’t think anybody thinks there is an agenda....I’m not sure what an agenda would achieve given we are on a fans website with no influence really. Just some fans are always critical of him even when something good has happened, they pick at the minor points. Yes it can be argued picking at minor points can see improvement but it’s constant bashing of him non-stop. i know many that do this think they aren’t but they are. I know this because I do it about Keinan Davis and something somebody said finally clicked in my mind and I went back and reviewed some of my posts. I will now be backing away because I was always critical even if he did something good. I still don’t think he’s good enough but I need to stand back and assess a balanced response. They with many on here including yourself about Smith. He’s here to stay it seems, bash him for the major things and not everything, in every post, every moment of the day. It’s a fans forum so post what you like but for me, the bashing he gets is too much, likewise I’m going to stop bashing Keinan so much. The game is about opinions but people don’t want to hear that opinion 100 times a day. Edited July 28, 2020 by nick76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, nick76 said: I don’t think anybody thinks there is an agenda....I’m not sure what an agenda would achieve given we are on a fans website with no influence really. Just some fans are always critical of him even when something good has happened, they pick at the minor points. Yes it can be argued picking at minor points can see improvement but it’s constant bashing of him non-stop. i know many that do this think they aren’t but they are. I know this because I do it about Keinan Davis and something somebody said finally clicked in my mind and I went back and reviewed some of my posts. I will now be backing away because I was always critical even if he did something good. I still don’t think he’s good enough but I need to stand back and assess a balanced response. They with many on here including yourself about Smith. He’s here to stay it seems, bash him for the major things and not everything, in every post, every moment of the day. It’s a fans forum so post what you like but for me, the bashing he gets is too much, likewise I’m going to stop bashing Keinan so much. The game is about opinions but people don’t want to hear that opinion 100 times a day. All i've seen is posters praise him when it's going well and criticizing when it's been bad. It's normal. Can he take us to the next level and prove his doubters wrong. I hope so, let's see. Nothing would be better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, villalad21 said: All i've seen is posters praise him when it's going well and criticizing when it's been bad. It's normal. Denial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, nick76 said: Did I disliked as a person, I said disliked.....you can surely see the semantic difference? From early in his Villa career some haven’t liked Dean Smith before even the slide we had pre lockdown. Disliking Smith as a person and disliking some of his managerial performances are two totally different things, and you did not make it clear that it was the latter you meant. I can plead guilty to the latter but not the former. Nor have I seen anyone else being guilty of the former. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said: Disliking Smith as a person and disliking some of his managerial performances are two totally different things, and you did not make it clear that it was the latter you meant. I can plead guilty to the latter but not the former. Nor have I seen anyone else being guilty of the former. My bad, sorry! Never thought of disliking the person themselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: Some people think there is an agenda which there clearly isn't. Some fans doesn't think he is good enough to take us where we need to be. That's it. It's nothing personal. Which has been you, since the day he arrived. You have made that vociferously clear. Yet he got us promoted, against the odds, and kept us up, against the odds. Crikey, he may be good enough after all! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Zatman said: For some reason and I dont know why but Smith seems to be generally disliked by opposition fans I watched the game Sunday with a couple of Wet Spam mates and they wanted us to stay up precisely because of Smith as they thought he was a decent bloke ... limited sample size obviously Terry on the other hand ....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 There are a lot of people who, whilst things were going badly were very, very critical of Dean Smith. This stance was understandable at the time as results and performances were poor. Now since lockdown there has been a clear upturn in performances (especially the last 4 games).This is not because he spent his way out of bad situation...…. but because he coached his way out. We changed the way we approached games and fixed the problems on the pitch using the tools at our disposal, it really is a good example of a manager being able to use his tactical and coaching skill to get a result Credit where its due. I cant remember the last manager that changed things for us like this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeAVFC Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Zatman said: For some reason and I dont know why but Smith seems to be generally disliked by opposition fans Probably bitter Leeds fans after the incident last season. Plus Smith's continual excuses after every game did rile people, myself included, after a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 28, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, MikeAVFC said: Probably bitter Leeds fans after the incident last season. Plus Smith's continual excuses after every game did rile people, myself included, after a bit. Plus he's a Brummie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 NEVER FORGET!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 hours ago, nick76 said: My bad, sorry! Never thought of disliking the person themselves Does anyone dislike him as a person - but like him as a manager ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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