AntrimBlack Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 The last thing you want is your employer seeing whatever you are doing becoming a shambles. Even if you are not directly responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikeyjavfc Posted October 17, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Risso said: I was sitting about 6 feet away from him. He celebrated our two goals like a crazy man. At the final whistle, he was absolutely fuming, and appeared to be making a few very pointed comments to Purslow, quite forcefully. Wow, that’s interesting thanks. But someone should explain to Wes that you’re not a true villa fan until you’ve seen us snatch defeat from the jaws of certain victory. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveAV1 Posted October 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2021 Under NSWE we have made excellent and rapid progress. From where we were both financially and on the pitch it’s been night and day. Progression on the pitch now becomes a little more difficult but is without doubt an ambition. Competing both at home and in Europe at the highest level is a stated aim. I am of course just surmising but i think we are setting ourselves up to be a well financed progressively run club, a bit like Leicester and a club that can develop a very strong academy a bit like Brentford. They are also savvy enough to take a look at the way Chelsea have used their academy financially. There are two types of rich clubs at the moment, Man Utd and Liverpool who have developed a massive fan base and exploited it, through success on the pitch. Then there’s Man City, Chelsea and now Newcastle who have owners with endless wealth that need the high profile that owning a PL club brings. Their actual interest in football is pretty secondary. Roman has more or less admitted that he can’t afford to be low profile and quietly bumped off by the Russian mafia. We all know what the Arabs are in it for, especially the Saudis. Nas and Wes have plenty of wealth but they are businessmen. The pit isn’t bottomless and I’m pretty sure that even if it was, they would find just throwing money away completely counterintuitive to men like them. This is good news to us as it means they are settling up structures that will ultimately make us more or less self sustainable and not dependent on the whims of rich individuals. We have a big fan base but it would take years of sustained success to match Man U and the Scousers commercial pull. Not being in London makes revenue streams harder to build too. So we have to box clever and will need financial astuteness as well as clout coupled with success on the pitch. The rapid development of the academy shows one route that we’re obviously taking but that alone won’t get us where we want to be. Recruitment and our recruitment set up indicates another road we have set up to try to exploit as shrewdly as possible. Part of Brentford’s success to date has been the coaching set up. Brentford fans have often said that the manager or head coach is just a cog in the wheel. I would say whilst that’s true he’s probably the most important cog. So who would be better than the Brentford manager to show us how it’s done. This for me has been Dean’s greatest strength. He fits exactly into the plan that is our blueprint for success. While we are continuing to learn how it’s done and we are generally moving forward on the pitch Dean will continue to guide us. How far he can take us I don’t know. The romantic in me hopes all the way but I’m sure the board will have certain targets and expectations. When and if the day comes when Dean waves a tearful goodbye replacing him won’t be easy. Just going high profile probably won’t offer us the continuity we’re looking for. Besides, getting a manager isn’t that easy, look how Spurs struggled. Man U seem reluctant to fire OGS possibly because they are yet to find a replacement. The same could be said for Arteta who has been on the brink more than once. I always think that well run clubs/businesses should always be looking for replacements in top positions. It’s impossible to predict humans, Pepe could want to retire and spend his days painting in Barcelona, Klopp may fancy a go at forming the fourth reich or either one could step under a bus. I’m 99% sure that there is a plan, probably a constantly evolving plan, to replace Dean. If, when and by who is the big question. Sorry for the long post. Imagine how my wife feels when I bang on about The Villa! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Essentially it becomes a question of whether NSWE are serious about us being a force, or are happy just for us to be a midtable team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 The reported rival consortium bidding for a Vegas MLS expansion team have pulled out of the running… crazy to think it’ll cost close to $300 mill / £215 mill for this franchise, and establishing us as a mid table premier league team has cost them £300 mill / $415 mill thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 The first real test for them.. I guess if they do get rid of Smith we will know a lot more about the direction of the club based on the new appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Mentioned it just now on the other thread but I don't quite get the disconnect emerging e.g. the owners are brilliant, amazing etc....and yet we shouldn't sack DS because we're going to appoint a totally rubbish manager next? It dosen't really add up to me that tbh as generally very good club owners tend to appoint good managers......and if they get it wrong like say Leicester did with Claude Puel they quickly dismiss him and get in someone better. This is a good test for them anyway. They got the Smith appointment right so think in near future we need to have some more faith in them (and Purslow) rather than just think we'll appoint someone who'll have us relegated by start of April. Unless it's the posters who are so wedded to DS leading us to FA cup glory or something they simply refuse to think of anyone else managing us. I don't know, just seems an odd bit of logic to me so interested hearing people's views on it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 It sounds harsh, but if they sack Smith before the international break, at least it will show ambition. To keep him on after these poor results is a little, "we don't know what to do next". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 17/10/2021 at 13:23, AntrimBlack said: The last thing you want is your employer seeing whatever you are doing becoming a shambles. Exactly, and sadly that is what it's started to become. Good post by @VillaChris above and he is correct, it will be very interesting to see who comes in as a replacement for Dean Smith. Let's see what these guys are made of when it comes to appointing the next head coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Talks could be ongoing as we speak with possible Smith replacements either at Board level or with potential candidates. Or He has those full backing and it’s business as usual. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Mentioned it just now on the other thread but I don't quite get the disconnect emerging e.g. the owners are brilliant, amazing etc....and yet we shouldn't sack DS because we're going to appoint a totally rubbish manager next? It dosen't really add up to me that tbh as generally very good club owners tend to appoint good managers......and if they get it wrong like say Leicester did with Claude Puel they quickly dismiss him and get in someone better. This is a good test for them anyway. They got the Smith appointment right so think in near future we need to have some more faith in them (and Purslow) rather than just think we'll appoint someone who'll have us relegated by start of April. Unless it's the posters who are so wedded to DS leading us to FA cup glory or something they simply refuse to think of anyone else managing us. I don't know, just seems an odd bit of logic to me so interested hearing people's views on it. I’d agree, almost everything that they have done behind the scenes as been spot on. They don’t covert the limelight, they’ve got Purslow for that. So if what Purslow said in the summer, that the hierarchy were a bit disappointed at how last season panned out after an excellent start, it would surely be surprising if they hadn’t at least got plans or ideas at least regarding a successor. As I say they aren’t flashy owners and seem to keep their cards very close to their chest. The reasonable hope is that they and Purslow have been working on this for a while. Dean’s chance to turn things around was probably the first 10 or so games of the season. I’d say the decision to release Dean has been made and the only factor left is when. That will be very much dependent on how things are progressing in finding and getting the right man to replace him. I think they would have preferred him to be doing better, obviously, and so have a more controlled changeover, most likely in the summer. Recent performances may force their hand earlier than they’d have liked. We are quite possibly on the brink of a crisis. They maybe now are regretting not making the change last summer. Ultimately they will take responsibility for that, but if someone behind the scenes influenced that decision, I’d imagine that wouldn’t be completely forgotten. It’s a big test to get this right. Ignoring the disasters we’ve suffered in the past before they came in, there’s no evidence that they won’t make a good job of getting this right. Although there are no certainties in the guess the manager game. Not where we currently are anyway. Edited November 7, 2021 by DaveAV1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, thabucks said: Talks could be ongoing as we speak with possible Smith replacements either at Board level or with potential candidates. Or He has those full backing and it’s business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 We know they go about their business very quietly. It's going to be an interesting few days ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) Maybe they’ve been waiting to see who filled the Newcastle and Spurs positions so to see who that leaves and then a free run at possible targets. Edited November 7, 2021 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 7, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 7, 2021 This isn’t a criticism of our owners but you cannot be serious about wanting to challenge for Europe and make a profit in a summer window. You also cannot have a middle of the road manager if you are serious about wanting to compete at the top. The owners have done incredible things for the club but I think it is time for some honesty, with themselves as much as anything. If they want us to compete as a top club we have to be run as a top club, currently we aren’t run as a top club. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: It sounds harsh, but if they sack Smith before the international break, at least it will show ambition. To keep him on after these poor results is a little, "we don't know what to do next". Thing is they might be wealthy and rich.but that doesn't mean they can produce a manager out of thin air - if there isn't one - there isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TrentVilla said: This isn’t a criticism of our owners but you cannot be serious about wanting to challenge for Europe and make a profit in a summer window. You also cannot have a middle of the road manager if you are serious about wanting to compete at the top. The owners have done incredible things for the club but I think it is time for some honesty, with themselves as much as anything. If they want us to compete as a top club we have to be run as a top club, currently we aren’t run as a top club. Agreed. Much respect for what they have done so far. But the ambition thing shouldn't be confused with wishful thinking. Sure we would like and want Europe. But we aren't going hell for leather for it. It would seem like a bit of bonus if we got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, thabucks said: Talks could be ongoing as we speak with possible Smith replacements either at Board level or with potential candidates. Or He has those full backing and it’s business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Hopefully they mean business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: We know they go about their business very quietly. It's going to be an interesting few days ahead. Ruthless. No room for sentimentality moving forward but a very graceful statement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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