bannedfromHandV Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: Wage cap will never work. Cat's out the bag. Will end up like rugby where all the best players went to France where there was no wage cap. It even happens now to a certain extent with old players going to China/MLS/Middle East. Except it would be players in their prime not has beens. Only way to have half a chance would be for it to be UEFA-wide. A wage cap would work if implemented globally, no other possibility. I think rather than limiting the wages an individual can receive though it should be a cap on total wage bill per club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: A wage cap would work if implemented globally, no other possibility. I think rather than limiting the wages an individual can receive though it should be a cap on total wage bill per club. That's exactly what Manpool don't want. They want to be able to spend way more than anyone else can get close to so they dominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, sidcow said: That's exactly what Manpool don't want. They want to be able to spend way more than anyone else can get close to so they dominate. Obvs, which is also why the rest of the league told them where to go with the ‘proposal’. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted October 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, sidcow said: That's exactly what Manpool don't want. They want to be able to spend way more than anyone else can get close to so they dominate. Yeah they would 100% want it means tested and proportion to income / revenue. That’s is exactly how FFP works currently and it puts a block on smaller revenue teams. It’s needs to be an absolute value so it is the same for all. If they brought this in instead of FFP the big 6 would shit themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, mikeyjavfc said: Make it FIFA wide and you’re on to something. EDIT: Also whilst your at it, limit agent fees to a maximum percentage value and make it so agent fees must be payed directly by the player represented, not from the clubs. Both single transfer and yearly cumulative transfer fees should also be capped at an absolute value (ie not linked to club revenue). It can still be a stupidly large number like £100m per transfer and £150m cumulative, but even this would prevent another Neymar deal causing hyperinflation of the market. Agent fees are the most ridiculous thing ever. Them leeches tout their players to the clubs that pay the highest agent fees in most cases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 hours ago, sidcow said: That's exactly what Manpool don't want. They want to be able to spend way more than anyone else can get close to so they dominate. spot on.....and if anyone starts to get close, they want to change the rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Sulberto21 said: Agent fees are the most ridiculous thing ever. Them leeches tout their players to the clubs that pay the highest agent fees in most cases. it is a free market, so its difficult to regulate.....but some better control should be administered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Sulberto21 said: Agent fees are the most ridiculous thing ever. Them leeches tout their players to the clubs that pay the highest agent fees in most cases. It’s bad but some of these agents deserve their fees to be fair. Lansbury's agent sure does! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: Wage cap will never work. Cat's out the bag. Will end up like rugby where all the best players went to France where there was no wage cap. It even happens now to a certain extent with old players going to China/MLS/Middle East. Except it would be players in their prime not has beens. Only way to have half a chance would be for it to be UEFA-wide. The Rugby players going to France lost their chance to play for their country as a result, so only a handful went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorke81 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I would love for a journalist to ask Klopp about this deal. He is often quite direct and honest, would be interesting to see if he really is aligned with the owners on this one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982am Posted October 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2020 I think the biggest problem for the scumbags of Liverplop and Manure is they no longer hold all the cards when it comes to riches. The prem is littered with billionaire owners who can potentially over several years displace them. As businesses they're running scared and I see them getting little support from the other clubs trying to close the gap. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, avfc1982am said: I think the biggest problem for the scumbags of Liverplop and Manure is they no longer hold all the cards when it comes to riches. The prem is littered with billionaire owners who can potentially over several years displace them. As businesses they're running scared and I see them getting little support from the other clubs trying to close the gap. Makes you think... If by "Popular vote" of the powers that be... Would there be any chance of FFP being scrapped or the rules being revised? Now there are more billionaire owners of football teams wanting to be given the green light to open the chequebook? and Man City and Chelsea being investigated for dodgy dealings and swindlings over the past few years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted October 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2020 wage cap - wont work, its too late, the horse has bolted what they should have looked at years ago was an American style team wage cap, your 25 man squad have a fixed wage aimed at stopping stockpiling and over paying youngsters, if the latest hot young talent at Liverpool / man city / Chelsea cant get his new £50k a week deal because of how much they pay the starting 11 then he might look for a deal elsewhere in the league I think it benefits English football in a lot of ways, stops stockpiling and the ridiculous number of loans, stops overpaying youngsters, might spread some of the talent around the league its not talked about enough but 19 year old Hudson Odoi being paid more than anyone in our squad to be a sub at Chelsea damages English football more than what de bruyne earns 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, villa4europe said: wage cap - wont work, its too late, the horse has bolted what they should have looked at years ago was an American style team wage cap, your 25 man squad have a fixed wage aimed at stopping stockpiling and over paying youngsters, if the latest hot young talent at Liverpool / man city / Chelsea cant get his new £50k a week deal because of how much they pay the starting 11 then he might look for a deal elsewhere in the league I think it benefits English football in a lot of ways, stops stockpiling and the ridiculous number of loans, stops overpaying youngsters, might spread some of the talent around the league its not talked about enough but 19 year old Hudson Odoi being paid more than anyone in our squad to be a sub at Chelsea damages English football more than what de bruyne earns I still have hopes for a wage cap but I agree, it would seem a longshot. I do think one way to stop teams from stockpiling talent would be to ban loans for anyone over a certain age. Loans as a developmental tool are an excellent way to help the growth of a young footballer. Loans like Villa getting Barkley off of Chelsea only allow teams like CFC to over sign senior players then use the loan system to alleviate their squad bloat. The limit could be a certain # of first team appearances. Once you hit that #, and a team wants to get rid, they either come up with an agreeable transfer or buy out your deal. The fact that Chelsea has something like 15 senior players on loan currently is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2020 10 hours ago, avfc1982am said: I think the biggest problem for the scumbags of Liverplop and Manure is they no longer hold all the cards when it comes to riches. The prem is littered with billionaire owners who can potentially over several years displace them. As businesses they're running scared and I see them getting little support from the other clubs trying to close the gap. They're certainly desperate. Nassef by himself is richer than either of their owners, and these guys know better than anyone else the power of money in football. But money aside, their downfall ultimately was their attack on our game cloaked in a rescue package for the EFL. As for this talk of some long term plan and this being just the start - well I don't buy that, they had 17 attempts at the current one, deffed off every power broker in the sport and have been isolated by 18 other teams in the league. These guys may be wealthy, but they are not that smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) Can't see a wage cap in football as different teams and different leagues have vastly different budgets and setting a wage cap as a % of revenue or something like that would limit the chance for teams like us to ever catch up. Loans though, are a much easier solution, it's just they don't want to do it. Make it so that a loaned out senior player still counts on the 25 man squad and teams will think twice. Make it so that you could only loan out young players who have played a certain number of years ( say 3 ) in the club's own youth system and prevent teams from buying young talent and immediately loaning them away. Edited October 16, 2020 by BG_Villa_Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, BG_Villa_Fan said: Can't see a wage cap in football as different teams and different leagues have vastly different budgets and setting a wage cap as a % of revenue or something like that would limit the chance for teams like us to ever catch up. Loans though, are a much easier solution, it's just they don't want to do it. Make it so that a loaned out senior player still counts on the 25 man squad and teams will think twice. Make it so that you could only loan out young players who have played a certain number of years ( say 3 ) in the club's own youth system and prevent teams from buying young talent and immediately loaning them away. I've always thought a "Signing Cap" could be implemented in the Premier League. If you win the league, you are allowed to make one additional signing in the next summer transfer window... In order to make more signings that window? You need to get current players off the books permanently through sale, release or retirement. Second place gets to make two signings Third place three and so on... Teams below the top 10 and newly promoted sides are unrestricted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, BG_Villa_Fan said: Can't see a wage cap in football as different teams and different leagues have vastly different budgets and setting a wage cap as a % of revenue or something like that would limit the chance for teams like us to ever catch up. Loans though, are a much easier solution, it's just they don't want to do it. Make it so that a loaned out senior player still counts on the 25 man squad and teams will think twice. Make it so that you could only loan out young players who have played a certain number of years ( say 3 ) in the club's own youth system and prevent teams from buying young talent and immediately loaning them away. Just scrap loans altogether. Bigger teams will have to decide to either play their young players or sell them, smaller teams will be able to keep hold of their up and coming players who'll be reluctant to move without any guaranteed playtime, meaning bigger teams would have to pay the market rate for when they are ready, spreading the ludicrous PL money down the leagues. Scrapping loans is worst for the teams at the top and best for the teams at the bottom so it'll never be passed but it would be the fairest solution to all. It wouldn't work out great for teams like us, but for teams down the pyramid it would mean they can keep hold of a Mount, or Tammy, a Tuanzebe without them just being hoovered up by the top teams for a pittance, and if sold would potentially fetch enough money to save a smaller club from administration 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: I've always thought a "Signing Cap" could be implemented in the Premier League. If you win the league, you are allowed to make one additional signing in the next summer transfer window... In order to make more signings that window? You need to get current players off the books permanently through sale, release or retirement. Second place gets to make two signings Third place three and so on... Teams below the top 10 and newly promoted sides are unrestricted... The issue with that is its open to manipulation, sitting in 9th place with 5 games left it'll be better to lose and drop down to 11th for the signings rather than push for 8th which will only hinder you the following season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 hours ago, weedman said: The issue with that is its open to manipulation, sitting in 9th place with 5 games left it'll be better to lose and drop down to 11th for the signings rather than push for 8th which will only hinder you the following season Alright then, have it absolute that your finishing position at the end of the season (aside from relegation places) determines how many signings you can make in the following transfer window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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