The_Rev Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Aspirin, based on the fact that im genuinely allergic to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Distorts which facts? More people use asprin, so more people die of it? Ali, you are the Doc - any stats you could call upon? Lots of people use ecstasy. Some die. Lots of people use aspirin some die. Without some real comparative stats, we are forever comparing chalk with cheese. I don't have any stats to hand, I am just using common sense 1) aspirin is more readily available 2) More people use aspirin than ecstasy therefore more people are likely to suffer adverse effects from it 3) Most aspirin related deaths are probably intentional overdose If I saw a person who came in with an ecstasy related cardiac problem (I;ve seen a couple) I wouldn't tell them its as safe as aspirin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 I'm with rev - I got told to avoid aspirin years ago (not an allegery but a stomach ulcer which my doc blamed on alcohol but which I knew was really down to the stress of moving from lager to bitter) but no doctor has ever told me to avoid ecstasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 2, 2008 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2008 but which I knew was really down to the stress of moving from lager to bitter Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 but no doctor has ever told me to avoid ecstasy. Because its not a prescription or over the counter drug! (I know you are playing devil's advocate here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 I don't have any stats to hand, I am just using common senseI'm not challenging your opinion - just wondering if you could get hold of such information as there is little in the mainstream. I'm sure you see shit in your working life which colours your view of the subject. But has there been any research - is it a real valid topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 2, 2008 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2008 I don't really know what you're trying to suggest though Gringo. Are you saying 1 aspirin tablet is more dangerous than 1 ecstasy tablet (to someone who is allergic to neither)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 clicky a quick online journal search revelaed this paper as probably the closest study, but its one of those things that is hard to validate as most people who take ecstasy won't openly tell you they are taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 Not really trying to suggest anything (Trim help me out here) but i't a question raised by a senior police officer which has been rubbished in the popular press without being answered. Ali's "subjective" evidence gives us one viewpoint, but as we are all worldly scientists on here we can't merely accept one persons experience can we now? Is ecstasy harmful to some people and not others? Is clean ecstasy harmful at all? Would a legitimate trade create clean ecstasy and destroy the brewers hold on binge friday? The real question is are we legislating out of ignorance or out of circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 clicky a quick online journal search revelaed this paper as probably the closest study, but its one of those things that is hard to validate as most people who take ecstasy won't openly tell you they are taking it.Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 2, 2008 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2008 Regardless of the short-term dangers of 'clean' ecstasy I think there is long-term damage regardless of how clean so, to me, it's a moot point, I wouldn't take it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I'd imagine a legalised safely produced and controlled ecstasy tablet would still be more dangerous than Aspirin. It's the long term effects of taking what is essentially a super strength anti-depressant which is the real danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 MDMA's impact on the public health and safety of young adults and teenagers needs further assessment. Which is what I think I'm driving at Twenty-four (35%) DR deaths had a mean delay of 6.7 hours (95% CI = 5.1 to 8.2) in activating emergency medical services. If the use was legiitimised, this would be reduced and surely some of these lives saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 2, 2008 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2008 It is impossible to attribute death to ecstasy of people who have died years afterwards due to a related issue. I agree it probably needs further study. Most things do. But I imagine we'd just be confirming our suspicions. Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 Gee, thanks! Apologies snowy, missed this I'm assuming that DYOR means do your own research? Also, what are the stats on the ratio of deaths to users and whether the deaths are accidental? DYOR - how the heck would I know - do you think I hang around ER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 I trust the doc on this one. I agree with most of Ali's points here (and would have done so, regardless of his profession). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 Just to note I haven't voted - so that one vote for aspirin must have been Rev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBoy Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 It is silly to compare stats on 2 drugs which are taken for completely different reasons. We must also compare an even number of takers. The stats show more Aspirin deaths because more people take it. Its like comparing deaths in car accidents to deaths in free-climbing. On the other hand, Ecstacy would be safer if it was made legal and properly controlled. The little pillls can contain all manner of substances and so its is difficult to judge how dangerous an ecstacy pill really is with its contents being a constant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 Your first paragraph is quite apt - more people die each week in car accidents than die each year from dropping ecstasy. So why do we make such a fuss about it. Why not regulate, control and in effect reduce the deaths from the drug. The only thing we gain from keeping it illegal is enhanced profits for drug dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcgrathsknees Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Would rather take 10 aspirin that 10 ecstasy in one go........... unless I was trying to kill myself! What would drug dealers do if drugs were legalised? Find jobs and integrate within their tightly knit communities?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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