Stevo985 Posted August 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: Clean sheet & penalty save = he's shit... Did you see the game? He did some good things, including the penalty save. But he did a lot of bad things too. He flapped at a number of crosses, he shakily dealt with some high balls that he got away with, he had a simple gather at the feet of a striker which he bottled out of, he messed up numerous kicks including one which nearly led to a goal, he came rushing out of his box into no man's land. It's one game, so it's entirely possible he improves and becomes really good for us. I obviously hope he does. But performances can't always be judged on stats. If Mark Bunn had a game like that then this place would be in meltdown. He was shite. Let's hope it was debut nerves and he settles down and improves. Edited August 15, 2018 by Stevo985 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: Did you see the game? He did some good things, including the penalty save. He was shite. Let's hope it was debut nerves and he settles down and improves. I saw the game, His sole job as a keeper is to try and keep the score at 0, He managed that in his first appearance despite some issues and a defence made up of useless strangers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Did you see the game? He did some good things, including the penalty save. But he did a lot of bad things too. He flapped at a number of crosses, he shakily dealt with some high balls that he got away with, he had a simple gather at the feet of a striker which he bottled out of, he messed up numerous kicks including one which nearly led to a goal, he came rushing out of his box into no man's land. It's one game, so it's entirely possible he improves and becomes really good for us. I obviously hope he does. But performances can't always be judged on stats. If Mark Bunn had a game like that then this place would be in meltdown. He was shite. Let's hope it was debut nerves and he settles down and improves. To be fair, I vaguely recall seeing De Gea's debut for United and thought he would be shite. Not that I'm directly comparing the two, but I think goalkeepers in particular get better with age. Doesn't really help us obviously given that he's here for 12 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, LakotaDakota said: I saw the game, His sole job as a keeper is to try and keep the score at 0, He managed that in his first appearance despite some issues and a defence made up of useless strangers As I said above, you can't judge a performance on stats alone. We didn't concede. Fine. He deserves some credit. But justb ecause Yeovil, a League 2 team, didn't punish some of his mistakes doesn't mean they weren't mistakes. That's an incredibly blinkered way of looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, bannedfromHandV said: To be fair, I vaguely recall seeing De Gea's debut for United and thought he would be shite. I've already acknowledged that he could improve, and I hope he does, absolutely. I am in no way writing this guy off. I'm merely commenting on last night's performance. Though it's dangerous to keep citing De Gea. Just because one world class keeper had a shaky start and came through it doesn't mean everyone will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: I've already acknowledged that he could improve, and I hope he does, absolutely. I am in no way writing this guy off. I'm merely commenting on last night's performance. Though it's dangerous to keep citing De Gea. Just because one world class keeper had a shaky start and came through it doesn't mean everyone will. Sorry, hadn't read back to see it's already been used as an example. I'm not having a go either, I agree with you, outside of the penalty save he looked pretty bloody dodgy. There was a 2-3 minute period in the first half where he seemed to completely lose his head for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) I thought he was like a more aggressive version of Postma. He couldn`t wait to come out between the back two. Edited August 15, 2018 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, AshVilla said: a more aggressive version of Postma. I don't think anyone would enjoy a more aggressive version of that! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 22 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: I nearly had a heart attack with that one on one. He just didn't look confident coming out at all. Luckily Zebe was there to mop up. But he stopped it.. a lot of other keepers could have given a penalty away rushing out or got rounded. He stood his ground.. made himself big and stopped the striker legally. Yes a defender had to help out but thats what its all about. He delayed the striker until help came in. I saw some bad signs in his game but for me that was not one. Penalty save - lets face it.. that was a pretty shit shot.. but at least he went the right way. I hate when keepers guess/dive early and give them an easy goal. The chip kick that went to their striker was awful.. but miskicks can happen. Lets see if it continues to occur. I thought his kicking was quite good until he lost a bit of confidence and it got worse as the game went on. One cross he flapped at was a bit of a concern too. Mixed bag from me. Looks like a good shot stopper. He is still only 22 in a new country etc.. i wish people just gave our players more chances than they get. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, KSV said: But he stopped it.. a lot of other keepers could have given a penalty away rushing out or got rounded. He stood his ground.. made himself big and stopped the striker legally. Yes a defender had to help out but thats what its all about. He delayed the striker until help came in. He didn't stop it though. That's like saying Karius had stopped it if someone had cleared that fluffed shot from Bale off the line in the Champions League Final. Just because Tuanzebe was there to save his blushes doesn't mean it was suddenly a good save. He was extremely lucky the striker didn't have a tap in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: I saw the game, His sole job as a keeper is to try and keep the score at 0, He managed that in his first appearance despite some issues and a defence made up of useless strangers If you watched the game and think he played well then I'm sorry but you don't know anything about judging a goalkeeper. He was poor (at best). Edited August 16, 2018 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 19 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I thought he was **** awful. Kudos on the penalty save, but he looked nervous, poor in the air, bad at kicking, hesitant, and lacking courage. I'm shocked by anyone suggesting he looked "confident" or "commanding". He looked anything but. Let's not forget though how shite Johnstone looked when we first signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Let's not forget though how shite Johnstone looked when we first signed him. Yep, I'm not forgetting it. None of my comments are on Moreira's ability as a whole. They are solely on Tuesday's game. I'm sure he can and will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yep, I'm not forgetting it. None of my comments are on Moreira's ability as a whole. They are solely on Tuesday's game. I'm sure he can and will improve. Yeah. The good thing about going through is we get to see him again in next round to see if it was a one off or if he is a capable keeper. He looks like he has potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I thought he was generally poor. But there was something endearing about him. I get this feeling he will be a very good keeper one day. We haven’t really got time to develop him though so I doubt he will play much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, villa89 said: If you watched the game and think he played well then I'm sorry but you don't know anything about judging a goalkeeper. He was poor (at best). I dodn't say he was brilliant but he is a young keeper playing his first game in a different country with a completely changed team made up mostly of kids & reserves in front of him. At the end of the game the score read Yeovil 0 meaning he did his job in keeping the ball out of the net. People slating him after 1 game where he didn't concede a goal and saved a penalty isn't really going to achieve anything is it Edited August 16, 2018 by LakotaDakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 As others have said it was a mixed bag. Some good stuff, some bad stuff. All I have concluded after 1 game packed with heartbeat raising moments is he's definitely better than Bunn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: I dodn't say he was brilliant but he is a young keeper playing his first game in a different country with a completely changed team made up mostly of kids & reserves in front of him. At the end of the game the score read Yeovil 0 meaning he did his job in keeping the ball out of the net. People slating him after 1 game where he didn't concede a goal and saved a penalty isn't really going to achieve anything is it all we can do is judge the one game he played, where he was poor. he's just getting honest comments about his one performance...no one is writing the guy off, so lets all settle down eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 15 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He didn't stop it though. That's like saying Karius had stopped it if someone had cleared that fluffed shot from Bale off the line in the Champions League Final. Just because Tuanzebe was there to save his blushes doesn't mean it was suddenly a good save. He was extremely lucky the striker didn't have a tap in. So if a keeper saves a shot back into play.. and it gets cleared by a defender before the opposition.. that's not a stop? Think your being harsh. It wasn't a clean stop as such but he did enough to put the striker off. Its a 1 on 1 chance.. a bit different comparing a shot that was badly fumbled. Most 1 on 1's you would back the striker. Like I said he could have easily brought him down.. gave away a pen and a straight red. He stayed big and put the striker off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2018 8 hours ago, KSV said: So if a keeper saves a shot back into play.. and it gets cleared by a defender before the opposition.. that's not a stop? Think your being harsh. It wasn't a clean stop as such but he did enough to put the striker off. Its a 1 on 1 chance.. a bit different comparing a shot that was badly fumbled. Most 1 on 1's you would back the striker. Like I said he could have easily brought him down.. gave away a pen and a straight red. He stayed big and put the striker off. Yes of course that's a stop. That's a COMPLETELY different scenario. In that scenario the keeper has diverted the ball away from goal. In this scenario the keeper has come out, bottled it, let the ball go through his legs and left the striker with an open goal, if it wasn't for a defender saving his blushes. It was an awful attempt at a stop. Like I said above, if Mark Bunn had done that then everyone would be going mental. It was dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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