villa4europe Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, maqroll said: Serbia undone by two Kosovans, that's salt in the wound for them! Didn’t they both celebrate with the Albanian sign as well? Could retrospective action be taken for provocative signs or bribing the game into disrepute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 In fairness Shaqiri always celebrates his Stoke goals like that. Xhaka deliberately changed his normal celebration to provoke but that's the sort he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 does he? google images shows nothing like that in a stoke shirt he had the kosovo flag on his boots too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I thought last night was a cracking game - didn't expect it to be, but was a great watch. Serbia face an uphill battle now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Xela said: I thought last night was a cracking game - didn't expect it to be, but was a great watch. Serbia face an uphill battle now. Yes but will give Neymar a right good kicking regardless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 On 22/06/2018 at 17:03, mikeyp102 said: Didn’t they both celebrate with the Albanian sign as well? Could retrospective action be taken for provocative signs or bribing the game into disrepute? Apparently they might be. Quote World Cup 2018: Switzerland's Granit Xhaka & Xherdan Shaqiri face bans over goal celebrations By Richard Conway BBC sports news correspondent 6 hours ago From the sectionWorld Cup Switzerland pair Granit Xhaka and Xherdan Shaqiri face two-match bans for their goal celebrations in their side's World Cup victory over Serbia. Football's world governing body Fifa is investigating whether they broke rules on political and offensive messages. Both players are ethnic Albanians from Kosovo, where a Serbian crackdown on the Albanian population only ended with Nato military intervention in 1999. They made 'double eagle' gestures after scoring, symbolising the Albanian flag. The country's flag carries the image of a double-headed eagle. Serbia accuse Fifa of 'brutal robbery' 'Double eagle' celebration provokes Serbs BBC Sport understands Fifa will examine if the gestures can be classed as provocation. Under article 54 of the governing body's disciplinary code, "anyone who provokes the general public during a match will be suspended for two matches and sanctioned with a minimum fine of 5,000 Swiss francs (£3,800)". It is thought Fifa plans to call expert witnesses to explain how the goal celebrations could be classed as provocative. It will be argued that the behaviour illustrates the Albanian nationalist-supported notion of a Greater Albania, which makes territorial claims on parts of Kosovo, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece. If Fifa's case is upheld, then the players would miss the last Group E game against Costa Rica and the last-16 match if Switzerland qualify. On Saturday, Fifa confirmed its disciplinary committee had opened proceedings against Xhaka and Shaqiri, adding: "In relation to the same match, disciplinary proceedings have been opened against the Serbian FA for crowd disturbance and the display of political and offensive messages by Serbian fans. "Furthermore, a preliminary investigation has been opened against the coach of the Serbian national team, Mladen Krstajic, for alleged statements made in the aftermath of the said match." It is unclear what the investigation into Krstajic refers to, but in comments to Serbian reporters on Saturday, he said of match referee Felix Brych: "I wouldn't give him either a yellow or red card, I would send him to The Hague. Then they could put him on trial, like they did to us." After the game, which his side won 2-1, Switzerland's Bosnia-born manager Vladimir Petkovic was asked about the celebrations and said: "You should never mix football and politics. It's important to be a fan, and to give respect. "It was a wonderful atmosphere and that's what support should be about." Arsenal midfielder Xhaka's father spent three and a half years as a political prisoner in Yugoslavia, while Shaqiri was born in Yugoslavia before emigrating to Switzerland as a child. Stoke City forward Shaqiri also sported a Kosovan flag, stitched onto his boots. "It's just emotion," he said about his celebration. "I'm very happy to score this goal. It's not more. I think we don't have to speak about this now." https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44592846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 That is ridiculous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Keyblade said: That is ridiculous. Personally I think it’s right. There shouldnt be any political references in the game. Both players knew exactly what they were doing and there was every chance the Serbian fans could’ve reacted badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Total garbage from FIFA, a truly pathetic organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Personally I think it’s right. There shouldnt be any political references in the game. Both players knew exactly what they were doing and there was every chance the Serbian fans could’ve reacted badly. That’s right. Next, no emotion and no pride. You grant a bit of slack to victims of opression and genocide. If Serb fans had kicked off, that would have been on them. It’s about time they got over their Kosovo complex and moved on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 If anyone should be punished it's the Serbian coach for his comments after the game claiming they should be tried at the Hague for their celebrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Michelsen said: That’s right. Next, no emotion and no pride. You grant a bit of slack to victims of opression and genocide. If Serb fans had kicked off, that would have been on them. It’s about time they got over their Kosovo complex and moved on. The entire nature of political grievances is that everyone feels that theirs is justified, and the other guy's isn't. I'm not willing to die on this hill, but I kind of think a small punishment is fair enough. They knew what they were doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The entire nature of political grievances is that everyone feels that theirs is justified, and the other guy's isn't. I'm not willing to die on this hill, but I kind of think a small punishment is fair enough. They knew what they were doing. A yellow card would have been fair enough. But I mean, Serbia’s manager is an outspoken apologist for war crimes. A reaction is to expected and should be tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Michelsen said: A yellow card would have been fair enough. But I mean, Serbia’s manager is an outspoken apologist for war crimes. A reaction is to expected and should be tolerated. Fair enough, I didn't know that, and that certainly isn't okay. If he gives interviews at FIFA events stating those opinions, he should also face some sanction. I guess my broader feeling is that ultimately football isn't a good place to play out political arguments. Even if it were, the only way to move past conflicts is for all sides to stop deliberately bringing them up at every opportunity. That goes equally for Croatian players singing songs about murdering Serbs that are written by neo-Nazi's, Serbia's manager and whatever war crime justifying he's doing, and ethnic Albanians making political hand gestures. However, I suppose as always with the Balkans, 'let's give peace a try, eh lads' is a preposterously utopian point of view. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, Michelsen said: That’s right. Next, no emotion and no pride. You grant a bit of slack to victims of opression and genocide. If Serb fans had kicked off, that would have been on them. It’s about time they got over their Kosovo complex and moved on. Yes because That’s what I said? The celebrations were calculated, both players knew exactly what they were doing and had probably discussed doing it beforehand. That isn’t emotive or showing pride. I’m not excusing the atrocities, far from it. But I think there is a time and a place to show concerns and raise a point, personally a sporting environment is not the place to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 They should get a fine and everyone should move on. A ban would be ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Albania vs Serbia was only 4 years ago. Could have incited a riot Idiots deserve a ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 hour ago, mikeyp102 said: Yes because That’s what I said? The celebrations were calculated, both players knew exactly what they were doing and had probably discussed doing it beforehand. That isn’t emotive or showing pride. I’m not excusing the atrocities, far from it. But I think there is a time and a place to show concerns and raise a point, personally a sporting environment is not the place to do so. I know you didn’t, but to a Kosovar playing against Serbia they’re akin to the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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