Stevo985 Posted December 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2018 On 26/12/2018 at 20:50, TheAuthority said: Why does there seem to be a load of Leeds fans on our forum always predicting whats going to happen to our club? (and it's never good) It’s really strange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed Posted December 28, 2018 Visiting Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, romavillan said: Yeah but the losses from 4 years ago were enormous, and they won't count anymore. They've been on the way down since, so the situation is improving on the loss front. Seeing as we have no debts now either I would reckon that's going to help. I know this article was written in the summer but the point mainly still stands. Basically your losses can’t be anymore than 39 million now matter what your owners have in the bank, if it’s above 39 million as it stands you’ll need extra income on your books before the deadline if not that would mean an embargo. http://priceoffootball.com/aston-villa-and-ffp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 If Manchester City can slip up. I'm pretty sure Norwhich or Leeds can to. Unrealistic but not impossible. I have faith that we'll at least make it to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 hours ago, BigRed said: I know this article was written in the summer but the point mainly still stands. Basically your losses can’t be anymore than 39 million now matter what your owners have in the bank, if it’s above 39 million as it stands you’ll need extra income on your books before the deadline if not that would mean an embargo. http://priceoffootball.com/aston-villa-and-ffp/ Somehow I have faith inn our CEO, who has extensive knowledge about FFP, when he categorically denies that there will be any issues with FFP rules. We just purchased a 7m goalkeeper. I'm confident the finances are in order for us to do that. If not it would be tremendously negligent by anyone aossisated with the club. Suecidal career wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 These guys have a plan and are working to it. we signed an international calibre keeper a week before the window opened. We’re not being linked with anyone publically which would suggest that targets have been identified and are being progressed professionally. No doubt they have a number of FFP compliant scenarios if we don’t go up. The real question is whether selling Jack, the keeper, McGinn is part of that plan or not. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 In my opinion I think we can get up to 10m for hourihane id rather sell him than grealish chester or mcginn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: In my opinion I think we can get up to 10m for hourihane id rather sell him than grealish chester or mcginn Imo we would get nowhere near £10m for Hourihane. Poor player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 If you look back, transfer wise, over the last 3 years that count for FFP, have we actually had a big nett spend? I don,t think so. We bought Hogan, McCormack etc but sold Amavi,Veretout,Baker etc. So I don,t think we will have a bad record on that part of it. I realise there are other factors but these guys know what they are doing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldVillan Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, av1 said: Imo we would get nowhere near £10m for Hourihane. Poor player. Think you are being very harsh there mate, he's a solid championship player which pretty much all the other teams in the league would take, he scores goals, has good delivery, probably doesn't affect games enough when we are struggling but I think in today's market, 10 million isn't too far off. Anyway, back on topic, we just need to try to capitalise on this 'easier' run we are about to go on and see where that puts us, but I think ultimately we will finish 5th but hopefully we will go into the play offs with no injuries and good form! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Skruff said: Somehow I have faith inn our CEO, who has extensive knowledge about FFP, when he categorically denies that there will be any issues with FFP rules. We just purchased a 7m goalkeeper. I'm confident the finances are in order for us to do that. If not it would be tremendously negligent by anyone aossisated with the club. Suecidal career wise. Nah, random Leeds fans who appear to be somewhat obsessed with seeing us go out of business probably know more than our CEO. I mean come on, think about it.............. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, av1 said: Imo we would get nowhere near £10m for Hourihane. Poor player. A poor player that scores loads of goals at this level? Also a ROI international? Can't be that bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, pintpotvilla said: If you look back, transfer wise, over the last 3 years that count for FFP, have we actually had a big nett spend? I don,t think so. We bought Hogan, McCormack etc but sold Amavi,Veretout,Baker etc. So I don,t think we will have a bad record on that part of it. I realise there are other factors but these guys know what they are doing!! Transfermarkt suggests the last 3 seasons - including the signing of Kalinic - we have a net spend of £21m in the past 3 seasons. Obviously this doesn't include wages or other costs/income, but it's a decent guideline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) While we of course should be concentrating on our own games, the next 4 or so weeks throws up some interesting matches which will have an impact on how the top six will look in February. 29th December Norwich v Derby 1st January Derby v Boro Forest v Leeds 11th-12th January Leeds v Derby Small heath v Boro Sheff Utd v QPR WBA v Norwich 18th January Norwich v Small heath 26th January Norwich v Sheff Utd QPR v WBA 2nd February Small heath v Forest WBA v Boro Leeds v Norwich We go into February having picked up a dozen or so points from our next six games it could look very interesting. Edited December 28, 2018 by Shropshire Lad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Transfermarkt suggests the last 3 seasons - including the signing of Kalinic - we have a net spend of £21m in the past 3 seasons. Obviously this doesn't include wages or other costs/income, but it's a decent guideline. 7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Transfermarkt suggests the last 3 seasons - including the signing of Kalinic - we have a net spend of £21m in the past 3 seasons. Obviously this doesn't include wages or other costs/income, but it's a decent guideline. OK take out Kalinic and that's less than 5m per year- not bad at all, so it's easier to see why FFP may not be too much of a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 28, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: OK take out Kalinic and that's less than 5m per year- not bad at all, so it's easier to see why FFP may not be too much of a problem I don't think that includes Kalinic does it? Our losses are around lots of different factors, paying for sacked managers, a wage bill that got silly, reductions in commercial revenues. Our top line has really suffered and that's caused us problems. However, it'll be interesting to see if there's a change once the £80m loss we made in our relegation season is removed from the period for calculation. For now, I think a top two finish is unlikely, but we're only three points off the next goal. If we win as many as we can, we'll be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kurtsimonw Posted December 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: OK take out Kalinic and that's less than 5m per year- not bad at all, so it's easier to see why FFP may not be too much of a problem And it's why I don't think Bruce has done an awful job. In transfer costs, he made a net profit of £17m. I don't think reaching a playoff final was all that awful with the mess he had to pick up after. It was time for him to go, but I certainly won't claim him to be the devil. Edited December 28, 2018 by kurtsimonw 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 May be the Xmas celebrations ongoing but I still think top 2 is possible. A big ask sure, but Jan and Feb could see plenty of movement throughout the top10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 28, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, rubberman said: May be the Xmas celebrations ongoing but I still think top 2 is possible. A big ask sure, but Jan and Feb could see plenty of movement throughout the top10. If we put it in perspective Stoke have as much chance of top 2 as we do; We would laugh if they were talking about it. It could happen, but so could a lot of things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, rubberman said: May be the Xmas celebrations ongoing but I still think top 2 is possible. A big ask sure, but Jan and Feb could see plenty of movement throughout the top10. It's still possible, statistically. But we'd like need about 58 points from 22 games. That's only 8 points dropped for the remainder of the season. Winning 19, drawing 1 and losing 2. Or Winning 18, drawing 4, losing 0. I'd love to believe it could happen, but it seems impossible in reality. But you have to believe we could beat anyone we meet in the playoffs if we strengthen our weak areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: Transfermarkt suggests the last 3 seasons - including the signing of Kalinic - we have a net spend of £21m in the past 3 seasons. Obviously this doesn't include wages or other costs/income, but it's a decent guideline. Must be wrong then. Alex Bruce said that his dad had no money to spend and actually made money for the club (as well as being an unappreciated saviour and all round good guy) so transfermarket MUST be WRONG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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