Mark Albrighton Posted January 7, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, TRO said: In the cold light of day HOW you get them is cosmetic. The team that goes up wins the most points and the reward for points is commonly known....who you get them off is irrelevant. hypothetically you could beat all the lower 15 team in the division home and away and secure 90 points, which would pretty much set you on the way for Auto promotion...if only life was so simple.....so, dropping points against the top teams is no really big deal....but you have to win the others, and we don't. There’s no way I can reply to this without mentioning a certain former manager’s name and his record against the current bottom fifteen clubs at the start of the season... So new year’s resolutions and all that, I won’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: There’s no way I can reply to this without mentioning a certain former manager’s name and his record against the current bottom fifteen clubs at the start of the season... So new year’s resolutions and all that, I won’t personally, despite the change in style and I have enjoyed that bit....I still see traits or remnants of Steve Bruce's Team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: It’s actually 5 wins. Yes not good enough for promotion but hardly a crisis just yet! You give up hope for the season if you want. I’ll continue to believe thanks. Crisis.....who mentioned Crisis? I don't think any of us would give up hope....else we wouldn't be ST holders....but realistic chance, based on what I have been seeing during the last 7 games, i think is remote. However, that can change depending of the capability of the ones we bring in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Lets hope Saturday is the start of a decent run of wins. We need to gain some momentum and show some character again, things can look quite rosy again if results go our way with the fixtures thrown up this wkend. Comfortable away win will do confidence a world of good. In Dean we trust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 hours ago, TRO said: personally, despite the change in style and I have enjoyed that bit....I still see traits or remnants of Steve Bruce's Team. Seeing as it’s the same roster, that shouldn’t be a shock. Thank goodness they are at least doing observably better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: Seeing as it’s the same roster, that shouldn’t be a shock. Thank goodness they are at least doing observably better. Win ratio's with us. Steve Bruce - 45% Dean Smith - 40% Not sure that is right...depending on what you mean. we will see when Dean gets his own team/roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Our next 4 games are vital, we have to win at least 3 of them. Wigan, Ipswich and Reading are truly awful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) I missed the 25 game mark, so here's the 26 game mark... 2016/17 - 35 points | 2017/18 - 44 points | 2018/19 - 38 points After 31 games - 2016/17 - 36 points | 2017/18 - 59 points | 2018/19 - ? 2016/17 - 13th | 2017/18 - 5th | 2018/19 - 10th After 31 games - 2016/17 - 16th | 2017/18 - 2nd (peak) | 2018/19 - ? Edited January 8, 2019 by Hornso 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, TRO said: Win ratio's with us. Steve Bruce - 45% Dean Smith - 40% Not sure that is right...depending on what you mean. we will see when Dean gets his own team/roster. I would imagine @srsmithusa meant this season with the same roster of players (no Terry, Johnstone etc). The difference in win ratios is about 15% I expect you know in whose favour... Edit - also 6 out 14 is closer to 43%. Edited January 8, 2019 by Shropshire Lad 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 10 hours ago, Farlz said: Our next 4 games are vital, we have to win at least 3 of them. Wigan, Ipswich and Reading are truly awful. Agree - we have to beat wigan on saturday - and I am pretty confident we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Farlz said: Our next 4 games are vital, we have to win at least 3 of them. Wigan, Ipswich and Reading are truly awful. Agree. Fail to do that and then I’ll join those that think we won’t get playoffs this season. It will be pretty crap for the season to be practically over so early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Please not the win % again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 If the key measure of success now is whether Smith is doing better than Bruce, this all looks a bit inward and desperate. How's he doing vs Bielsa, Farke, Wilder, Moore, Pulis and Lampard? These are the teams we need to be competing with now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 Tammy staying has put us back in the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 21 hours ago, TRO said: personally, despite the change in style and I have enjoyed that bit....I still see traits or remnants of Steve Bruce's Team. The last few performances have been classic Bruce. Shows the issues with our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 13 hours ago, TRO said: Win ratio's with us. Steve Bruce - 45% Dean Smith - 40% Not sure that is right...depending on what you mean. we will see when Dean gets his own team/roster. Now do the same calculation for this season only..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said: I would imagine @srsmithusa meant this season with the same roster of players (no Terry, Johnstone etc). The difference in win ratios is about 15% I expect you know in whose favour... Edit - also 6 out 14 is closer to 43%. i just went across the board, which takes in SB's first season.....but Dean has only been with us 5 minutes.....so it is fair to say the timescales have a big bearing. I wasn't trying to present a case, other than some might think, so far, its not better.....depending how you look at it....and whether who we have played is deemed as mitigation. I am not making any point, just presenting the facts. those are the across the board percentages of each manager at Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 No chance of automatic I'm sorry to say - play offs is the best we can hope for although I'm not sure I could take another Final loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Messy Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I absolutely want promotion but I think I'm actually enjoying the football in the Championship more than I ever have so I wont be too disappointed with another year in the 2nd tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted January 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, briny_ear said: If the key measure of success now is whether Smith is doing better than Bruce, this all looks a bit inward and desperate. How's he doing vs Bielsa, Farke, Wilder, Moore, Pulis and Lampard? These are the teams we need to be competing with now. I’m aware you only asked that question to make a point. But out of those, he’d be sixth, below Lampard on 46% and just ahead of Pulis who’s on just a touch over 42%. Bielsa is top with 57%. So considering all those have had a full pre season and a summer transfer window and taking into account the mess he inherited, the opposition he has faced, having a win percentage comparable to a couple of the top six is fairly decent going in my book. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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