Stevo985 Posted February 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2018 16 hours ago, villakram said: So weird, doesn't feel like an open cockpit anymore. The drivers are all being very diplomatic about it so far, but I wonder what they really think. I imagine they'll be overwhelmingly in favour of it. Unless it seriously hampers their field of vision, which given the feedback so far, it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 The final 5 Ferrari SF71H Mercedes F1 W09 EQ Power+ McLaren Renault MCL33 Force India Mercedes VJM11 Toro Rosso Honda STR13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I imagine they'll be overwhelmingly in favour of it. Unless it seriously hampers their field of vision, which given the feedback so far, it doesn't. Sainz has suggested Halo in the rain could be a visibility issue I assume when the rain hits it at speed it becomes a finer spray and a fog-effect windscreen. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 Day 1 Barthelona testing times FWTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, BOF said: Sainz has suggested Halo in the rain could be a visibility issue I assume when the rain hits it at speed it becomes a finer spray and a fog-effect windscreen. We'll see. Yeah I'd not really thought about the rain. Interesting. But outside of that the feedback I've seen has been positive. I'd expect drivers to be in favour of things that stop them getting their head caved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: Yeah I'd not really thought about the rain. Interesting. But outside of that the feedback I've seen has been positive. I'd expect drivers to be in favour of things that stop them getting their head caved in. Drivers of open cockpit racing tend to be madder than the norm as we know. Hulkenberg for example is not in favour of Halo. And while we're espousing the importance of safety measures, rain is when F1 is at its most dangerous, so if Halo is indeed dangerous when it's raining then frankly that's a **** hilarious own goal on the part of the organisers/rule makers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BOF said: Drivers of open cockpit racing tend to be madder than the norm as we know. Hulkenberg for example is not in favour of Halo. And while we're espousing the importance of safety measures, rain is when F1 is at its most dangerous, so if Halo is indeed dangerous when it's raining then frankly that's a **** hilarious own goal on the part of the organisers/rule makers I've read the Sainz comments just. i think you've got it slightly wrong (unless he's made other comments too) He said it was a concern because it stops the raindrops from landing on the visor, so drivers can't tell if it's raining or not. So probably an issue in light rain conditions. If anything it sounds like it improves visibility in the rain. Edited February 27, 2018 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: I've read the Sainz comments just. i think you've got it slightly wrong (unless he's made other comments too) He said it was a concern because it stops the raindrops from landing on the visor, so drivers can't tell if it's raining or not. So probably an issue in light rain conditions. If anything it sounds like it improves visibility Damn it, the below line popped my balloon! "However Sainz said visibility was “not an issue” on the whole with the Halo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I wonder if the the lip on the Ferrari halo is legit or just for the snazzy press release material as everyone else has overlooked any modifications. Pretty much every team has significantly complained about how it effects the aerodynamic performance of the car and the effort required to integrate it correctly over the winter. Sainz' comments make me want rain every race 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Haven't watched in 4 years. It needs to be competitive and fun. More overtaking, more character, less rocket polishers. I'll probably miss it again in 2018. Maybe one day it will find it's soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 40 minutes ago, villakram said: I wonder if the the lip on the Ferrari halo is legit or just for the snazzy press release material as everyone else has overlooked any modifications. Pretty much every team has significantly complained about how it effects the aerodynamic performance of the car and the effort required to integrate it correctly over the winter. Sainz' comments make me want rain every race Good spot. You'd imagine it's something that'll be tweaked so long as it doesn't affect the safety element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 27, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2018 I thought I'd read that making any adjustments was forbidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LakotaDakota Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, villakram said: I wonder if the the lip on the Ferrari halo is legit or just for the snazzy press release material as everyone else has overlooked any modifications. Pretty much every team has significantly complained about how it effects the aerodynamic performance of the car and the effort required to integrate it correctly over the winter. Sainz' comments make me want rain every race It is on the car today, Not just a lip either. Seems to be a proper air vent of some sort 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 Encouraging to see Toro Rosso right at the top of the mileage charts. They'll need reliability first and foremost with the Honda setup. Ferrari have 178 laps from the first 2 days, Mercedes have 177 & STR are 3rd with 175. Over all of its constructors the Merc engine has 451 laps, Renault 424, Ferrari 413 & STR are the only Honda on 175. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 27, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, LakotaDakota said: It is on the car today, Not just a lip either. Seems to be a proper air vent of some sort If Stevo is right then perhaps they'll argue they've not modified the halo itself but just added something extra to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Hmm looks like there is some leeway allowed on the top section with some sort of fairing/winglet allowed upto 20mm Toro Rosso were trying them at the end of last season too This is from Charlie Whiting : "I think teams haven't explored the full range of possibilities to make them look a little more pleasing to the eye. We've only seen the bare designs and even when Williams ran with a white one it looked a great deal better - I think you'll agree. "The possibilities the teams have, we will allow a 20 mm distance from around the main tubes at the top in order for them to fit fairings. I think they will come up with some different designs. I don't think it will be quite as bad as you think. "They have to use the standard Halo which will be made by a single supplier and we will allow them to use non-structural fairings around the upper part which can be no more than 20 mm from the main structure and I think there is an overall width restriction and a restriction on how far they can encroach on the cockpit opening. "20 mm is quite a lot all the way around and they can do what they like with that. The main reason the first place was to give them scope to overcome any aero changes they have got to make, for example on the air box or things like that, if they want to redirect the flow." http://www.crash.net/f1/news/283338/1/teams-able-to-make-aero-tweaks-around-halo-whiting Edited February 27, 2018 by LakotaDakota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, LakotaDakota said: It is on the car today, Not just a lip either. Seems to be a proper air vent of some sort It's a wing on the halo, possibly ingenious... we'll know it's useful if any of the other teams try it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 McLaren still seem to be struggling so far in pre-season testing. Only decent time they set was on the hyper soft tyre. Toro Rosso Honda seem to be ticking along quite nicely. You couldn't make it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 8, 2018 Author Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2018 I sure hope Force India are sand-bagging. Either that or they're in trouble. They haven't finished higher than 8th in any of the 6 days testing so far (28/02 was a snow-out), haven't done a lap of note and it's not like they're using slower tyres either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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