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6 minutes ago, bobzy said:

They should be able to dish out cards for the ridiculous simulation of injury that goes on as well.

Maddison is an absolute disgrace in that incident.

I am sympathetic to the view, but I think our current inconsistent applications of the rules would look like nothing compared to the ref trying to decide if a player felt enough contact to justify their reaction

While I understand fans moaning about the refs, clips like the above are why I think pretty much every player and manager in the league should keep their **** mouths shut. They spend all game looking for any opportunity to con the ref then scream and cry to the interviewers when the ref falls for it from the other team.

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14 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I am sympathetic to the view, but I think our current inconsistent applications of the rules would look like nothing compared to the ref trying to decide if a player felt enough contact to justify their reaction

While I understand fans moaning about the refs, clips like the above are why I think pretty much every player and manager in the league should keep their **** mouths shut. They spend all game looking for any opportunity to con the ref then scream and cry to the interviewers when the ref falls for it from the other team.

Yeah that's why I think it needs to be retrospective and by a panel, it can be watched 100 times and still an opinion but at least that panel will have that time and the forum to discuss it and you can bring in old heads with experience but not the fitness to be a pitch ref anymore and it's away from the pressure of the stadium and the players 

Asking a pitch ref or VAR to do it in game imo is a big ask 

Also, me talking last week about VAR doing penalty reviews and being able to say yes or no but not being able to give a goal kick / corner decision following the review - has anyone ever been booked after a VAR review? Like a penalty review that's come back as that's a dive resulted in a yellow card?

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1 hour ago, foreveryoung said:

Michael Owen should push him a bit more too on the questioning. " If there was no studs whiy did they deem it a red?.  "How can 3-4 people come to the same, wrong conclusion?"

That would mean Michael Owen having individual thoughts

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Going back to last weekend's games, Howard Webb said that the pull by Van Dyke didn't impact Guehi's ability to get the ball so there was no need to overturn... Does that mean you can foul anyone in the box as long as it's far enough away from the ball? Surely any deliberate foul in the penalty area, whether the attacking player can get to the ball or not, should be a penalty? Especially when goals get ruled out for defenders who are nowhere near the ball getting blocked off (see us vs Man Utd a couple of years back). Also doesn't it just open up another grey area where different refs/VARs are going to have varying opinions of whether or not a player could reach a ball had they not been fouled? Just another nonsense loophole that can be adhered to (or not) depending on who's being refereed and who the decision might benefit/negatively impact.

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38 minutes ago, oishiiniku_uk said:

Going back to last weekend's games, Howard Webb said that the pull by Van Dyke didn't impact Guehi's ability to get the ball so there was no need to overturn... Does that mean you can foul anyone in the box as long as it's far enough away from the ball? Surely any deliberate foul in the penalty area, whether the attacking player can get to the ball or not, should be a penalty? Especially when goals get ruled out for defenders who are nowhere near the ball getting blocked off (see us vs Man Utd a couple of years back). Also doesn't it just open up another grey area where different refs/VARs are going to have varying opinions of whether or not a player could reach a ball had they not been fouled? Just another nonsense loophole that can be adhered to (or not) depending on who's being refereed and who the decision might benefit/negatively impact.

On the first bit, no, it doesn’t mean you can just foul in the box. What he’s saying is that the non-decision (assumed?) shouldn’t be overturned because Guehi can’t get the ball.

Of course, this is bollocks because Newcastle quite rightly got a penalty after Tarkowski hauled down Tonali(?) off the ball, with the ball not being near him and with the decision originally not given.

Webb and/or whichever referees speak on the telly don’t have any integrity. Their sole purpose is to protect referees - which is fine, but you can’t take their word as anything. It’s nonsense. 

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25 minutes ago, bobzy said:

On the first bit, no, it doesn’t mean you can just foul in the box. What he’s saying is that the non-decision (assumed?) shouldn’t be overturned because Guehi can’t get the ball.

So...If the penalty had been given by the referee then VAR wouldn't overturn it, but because VAR has the advantage of hindsight they can just dismiss the foul because it didn't stop a goal-scoring opportunity? That seems ridiculous to me, and as you say, it was contradicted by Newcastle getting a penalty for something similar (albeit a much more dramatic foul). 'We're not going to get involved because the player wasn't going to get the ball (and also we don't want the negative publicity of being the ones who made Liverpool drop points)' - says it all, really...

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29 minutes ago, oishiiniku_uk said:

So...If the penalty had been given by the referee then VAR wouldn't overturn it, but because VAR has the advantage of hindsight they can just dismiss the foul because it didn't stop a goal-scoring opportunity? That seems ridiculous to me, and as you say, it was contradicted by Newcastle getting a penalty for something similar (albeit a much more dramatic foul). 'We're not going to get involved because the player wasn't going to get the ball (and also we don't want the negative publicity of being the ones who made Liverpool drop points)' - says it all, really...

I don’t think it’s a Liverpool thing. People just want to run with that kind of narrative because “big club bias”…

…which obviously doesn’t exist because the Fernandes “red card” happened. 

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Do the PGMOL and Howard Webb think us fans are stupid. Reports from them today, say VAR errors are down 80%.

Of course they are you numpties. It's' because they hardly use it now. The errors have gone back onto the referees making mistakes and not calling for VAR. 🤦‍♀️

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5 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

Do the PGMOL and Howard Webb think us fans are stupid. Reports from them today, say VAR errors are down 80%.

Of course they are you numpties. It's' because they hardly use it now. The errors have gone back onto the referees making mistakes and not calling for VAR. 🤦‍♀️

This was exactly my thinking too!

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How is this that different from Gordon against Arsenal last year? Yet, our goal gets overturned. The image they give is too low resolution to be enough to overturn the on-field decision.

skysports-newcastle-arsenal_6348714.jpg?

Consistency?

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10 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

How is this that different from Gordon against Arsenal last year? Yet, our goal gets overturned. The image they give is too low resolution to be enough to overturn the on-field decision.

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Consistency?

I don't know if this is the actual VAR image, but I don't know if the camera is in line with the end-line. If it is then then the ball is out. if not I can't tell.

My gut says out.

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I don't know if the ball was actually out or not for our goal, but I'm tired of not being able to celebrate half the goals we score properly because of this retroactive refereeing. If the decisions aren't going to be made nearly instantly like they are with goal line technology, I'd rather they not be made at all, even if it does occasionally mean some errors will be made.

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As I said in the match thread, Ollie has a terrible poker face and he clearly thought it was out of play imo.  I'm sure it's something that technology should/will eventually be able to fix in the long run.

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2 hours ago, villa4europe said:

If you're not 100% sure then you have to go with the pitch decision 

No **** way can they be 100% sure on that 

I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that it's touching the line slightly and a Hawkeye system would back that up.

Nonsense to claim it's "factual" though, when it clearly cant be factual based on one image like that, it's an educated guess.

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I'd be amazed if the technology doesn't exist that would let them put a strip in the ground under the white line and then a chip in the ball that told them every time the ball went out anywhere on the pitch 

There would be a margin of error due the groundsman painting the line which they'd need to look at but it's got to be doable 

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53 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said:

I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that it's touching the line slightly and a Hawkeye system would back that up.

Nonsense to claim it's "factual" though, when it clearly cant be factual based on one image like that, it's an educated guess.

If it was factual there would be a PDF file or explanation to help fans and others make sense of the decision making. Once again, there’s not. We just have to take their word for it. It’s not good enough. 

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Another embarrassing day for VAR and I've only seen one game.

Villa goal ruled out, how can they tell? The image we have all seen is inconclusive, the ball and line are blurred together. Lino didn't give it, not clear unless they have something they're not willing to show, goal should have stood.

Cash's tackle, defo a pen, what is the ref thinking and how did it not get overturned?

Bailey handball, the ball travels 50 yards, clearly a handball, how have they got that wrong?

3 big decisions in one game along with numerous offsides not given but corners etc would stand.

What is the point in VAR?

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