Jonesy7211 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Not just in our game, but in a few others there's already multiple questionable actions from VAR. This is the first weekend. The problem isn't VAR, it's the people running it. The standards and consistency of decisions is awful. I think the only way to remove suspicion of corruption and bias is to make VAR refs independent of the PGMOL, so it doesn't feel like an old boys club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 1 minute ago, Jonesy7211 said: Not just in our game, but in a few others there's already multiple questionable actions from VAR. This is the first weekend. The problem isn't VAR, it's the people running it. The standards and consistency of decisions is awful. I think the only way to remove suspicion of corruption and bias is to make VAR refs independent of the PGMOL, so it doesn't feel like an old boys club. 100%, it’s only in the PL. We rarely see bizarre decisions outside of the PL where it’s a regular occurrence. Can they sub it out to a European office? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) Edited August 17 by Deano & Dalian's Umbrella 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Disgraceful as usual. Cash won the ball while minimal but Soucek went down from little contact Yet McGinn got fouled in the box and nothing was even looked at Still corrupt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 I think we can all appreciate that contentious stuff happens on the field of play so fast its difficult sometimes for the ref to see it through a tangle of players. Therefore before making his decision, why not simply avoid the idiots in the garden shed at stockwell (or wherever the var morons are supposed to be watching the same game), and go to the pitch side monitors and review the incident in slow motion etc. Let the ref make the call on what he sees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 10 hours ago, Genie said: 100%, it’s only in the PL. We rarely see bizarre decisions outside of the PL where it’s a regular occurrence. Can they sub it out to a European office? That's sadly not true at all. It better than in the PL but it's not great anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 7 hours ago, Deano & Dalian's Umbrella said: Perfectly described... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 I like the idea of giving Refs the benefit of the doubt to keep the flow in the game. Problem is engish refs are incompetent and they absolutely need VAR to correct their many mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 the no red card for the wolves player is bizarre What do they think they are seeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) Another flaw with how VAR works was highlighted perfectly yesterday in the Valencia - Barca game. Curbasi already on a yellow card does a blatant tactical foul pulling the arm/shirt of a Valencia player trying to stop a counter attack. The ref sees it and blows for a FK but doesn't hand out a second yellow because Barcelona. It's as blatant a second yellow as the Zinedine Zidane headbutt was a red. Why can't VAR step in and correct a obvious and important error. Valencia manager got a yellow for complaining thou... Edited August 18 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted August 18 VT Supporter Share Posted August 18 (edited) I hate all these silly useless 'protocol' that they are introducing. All I would like to see it's just consistency in officiating, if Mcginn's one wasn't a peno, then fine, the Cash one should not be either. We are being punish simply by the homer ref who failed to see the McGinn foul, but somehow spotted the Cash 'foul'. Along the season you will find ref who are more trigger happy with peno decision for Manure for example and under this **** protocol VAR will just have to let go. A bunch of 8 year olds would do better in that video room than this current bunch of monkeys. Edited August 18 by HongKongVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 2 hours ago, sne said: That's sadly not true at all. It better than in the PL but it's not great anywhere. In my experience yes if does happen, but it’s rare. In the English game it’s surprising when an entire game goes without some kind of VAR talking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 18 VT Supporter Share Posted August 18 (edited) 10 hours ago, Zatman said: Disgraceful as usual. Cash won the ball while minimal but Soucek went down from little contact Yet McGinn got fouled in the box and nothing was even looked at Still corrupt You will not see a clearer penalty than Mcginn incident this year Edited August 18 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: the no red card for the wolves player is bizarre What do they think they are seeing? This was the biggest issue yesterday IMO. You’ve just got to wonder what they’re trying to do with rules sometimes - soft touch of heads in Newcastle game = red card. Wolves player choking Havertz with a lot of weight on it = nothing. Why are they trying to achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 10 hours ago, Zatman said: Disgraceful as usual. Cash won the ball while minimal but Soucek went down from little contact Yet McGinn got fouled in the box and nothing was even looked at Still corrupt Cash was absolutely fouled in the build up too - Soucek was pulling down on his shoulder to get some advantage, did VAR even check that part? It's a farce still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 13 hours ago, Jonesy7211 said: Not just in our game, but in a few others there's already multiple questionable actions from VAR. This is the first weekend. The problem isn't VAR, it's the people running it. The standards and consistency of decisions is awful. I think the only way to remove suspicion of corruption and bias is to make VAR refs independent of the PGMOL, so it doesn't feel like an old boys club. I mean, the problem partly is VAR. Football is too subjective for it to work properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 18 VT Supporter Share Posted August 18 palace having a kevin friend moment go against them...it's absolutely ridiculous and why there can't be some common sense applied here i'll never know same as in our situation, the whistle being blown didn't mean the players stopped as it was a split second before the ball crossed the line, so VAR surely needs to be given the freedom to intervene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, tomav84 said: palace having a kevin friend moment go against them...it's absolutely ridiculous and why there can't be some common sense applied here i'll never know same as in our situation, the whistle being blown didn't mean the players stopped as it was a split second before the ball crossed the line, so VAR surely needs to be given the freedom to intervene It's a farce for many reasons -the whistle blowing had no effect on the ball hitting the back of the net -the "foul" had no effect on the ball hitting the back of the net -I'm not even convinced it is a foul in the first place...Hughes is just standing there and it's the Brentford defender who has his hands all over him Edited August 18 by a-k 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Yeah, Eze's was a goal all day long. I'll argue it out with anyone. Wasn't a foul at all. Although even if it was, it would have made no difference whatsoever on the goal going in. Refs are like robots. New rules, follow new rules to the book, no common sense at all, it's not in the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 On 17/08/2024 at 23:51, Deano & Dalian's Umbrella said: As ever it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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