Mantis Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 So not only is VAR being used to defend poor refereeing decisions made in real time, it's also being used to overturn perfectly good real time decisions? What is the actual point of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Trez should have been sent off for an elbow too today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted November 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 Suck my balls VAR you **** piece of shit you continually ruin football and ruin peoples weekends! Its getting beyond a joke now its weighted to get the so called top teams to the top. There was a similar penalty the other week forget now who but player brushes the ball but takes the man out. Decision Pen. Just **** OFF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, Keyblade said: What's the point of going to the monitor if you're just going to look at 1 angle? You saw the same angle in real time ffs. the point of them going to the monitor is so that the ref still looks like the man in charge and gives the impression that he made the decision. no other reason for it. someone correct me if i'm wrong, but not once has a ref been sent to the monitor and kept his on field decision 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, a-k said: Laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 A soft ish penalty but to quote a phrase...."we've seen them given" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted November 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Having calmed down a little I'm all for VAR. As long as they apply the same law when the likes of Salah, Mane goes down like this on a challenge. Not hard hey Edited November 21, 2020 by HongKongVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I wouldn't mind that not being a penalty, if it was consistent. Trezeguet threw himself to the floor, that's beyond doubt. He chucks both legs back and pretend sit was much worse contact than it was. I'd happily see that be a bookable offence. But the fact is, penalties like that get given every week and we never see it pulled back like that against Liverpool and Man United. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, a-k said: A complete and utter joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, tomav84 said: the point of them going to the monitor is so that the ref still looks like the man in charge and gives the impression that he made the decision. no other reason for it. someone correct me if i'm wrong, but not once has a ref been sent to the monitor and kept his on field decision The ref has disagreed with VAR only once. Incidentally, that decision also went in Brighton's favour (although you can't claim VAR bias here since VAR suggested the decision go against Brighton): On 02/11/2020 at 14:06, a-k said: Yesterday was the first time this season that a ref went to the monitor but kept the original decision (disagreed with VAR). Brighton player "won" the ball and went on to score from the resulting attack. This was the best clip I could find. Ref was literally 2m away from the live play and spent about 2 mins watching it back on the monitor, but decided no foul committed by the Brighton player. Ref was probably just making things even for this absolute bollocks pen given earlier in the match. Kane makes no attempt for the ball (is looking at the man to see where the contact will be) and places Lallana in danger of injury by purposely clattering into him while airborne, yet somehow gets a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: This is the main point for me, and something I've mentioned multiple times here. It's a farce to claim VAR is there to overturn clear and obvious errors, when in most cases it is just a second referee giving his subjective opinion on a close call. When I saw it live, I thought Trez went down fairly easily and maybe wasn't a pen. Then, watching the first replay, I saw a clear foot to shin with an exaggerated fall by Trez. After the 1000th replay, I noticed March got a foot on the ball before following through on Trez (got a foot on the ball is not the same as play the ball). However, in the modern game just touching the ball first is no longer sufficient to avoid a foul, and if this was elsewhere on the pitch then it probably would have been a free kick. On the other hand, if we were 2-1 up and that was given as a pen against us, I'm sure some of us on here would be fuming. The point from the above paragraph is that the decision could go either way. Thus, it is not a clear and obvious error and the on-field decision should stand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, a-k said: This is the main point for me, and something I've mentioned multiple times here. It's a farce to claim VAR is there to overturn clear and obvious errors, when in most cases it is just a second referee giving his subjective opinion on a close call. When I saw it live, I thought Trez went down fairly easily and maybe wasn't a pen. Then, watching the first replay, I saw a clear foot to shin with an exaggerated fall by Trez. After the 1000th replay, I noticed March got a foot on the ball before following through on Trez (got a foot on the ball is not the same as play the ball). However, in the modern game just touching the ball first is no longer sufficient to avoid a foul, and if this was elsewhere on the pitch then it probably would have been a free kick. On the other hand, if we were 2-1 up and that was given as a pen against us, I'm sure some of us on here would be fuming. The point from the above paragraph is that the decision could go either way. Thus, it is not a clear and obvious error and the on-field decision should stand. yeah when I watched it live I thought Trez went down way to easily. But there was definite contact. If it hadn't been given on the pitch, there wasn't; enough to overturn for me. Also haven't seen other decisions like that get overturned this season which is why it stings more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, a-k said: "Clear and obvious" is no longer a caveat then? I have no idea at this point. The fact that was overturned and Fernandes' penalty against us last season got no more than a quick scan and allowed really boils my piss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I don't think it was a clear and obvious error and therefor VAR should not have intervened. Some people will say it was not a pen. Some people will say it was a pen. No reason to rule it out. Had it been Man Utd or Liverpool it been given tho. 100 % 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Simple case of the wrong Egyptian today. Salah gets that pen all day long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 That is it Mr Oliver. You're getting into the list: - Phil Dowd - Kevin Friend - Michael Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 As I said on the match thread ref felt he had to overturn it because VAR told him to look at the screen. Had he not given it the same would have happened but he would overturned his original decision of not giving it and everyone would have said correct decision by VAR. Some very odd refereeing as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I think var should just be used for offside decisions and that’s it, it’s ruining football. I hope they get rid of it next season, I think I prefer getting screwed over by a poor referee decision then having every incident bloody reviewed, it’s ruining the flow of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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