Genie Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I thought the Palace goal should have stood yesterday, looked like shoulder to me which I thought was allowed. Certainly didn’t appear a “clear and obvious” error by the referee. I’m also very surprised Grealish’s appalling dive was not punished with a card. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) On 11/07/2020 at 23:14, Zatman said: So maybe its best to go through the decisions this season. I might have missed 1 or 2 FOR. NYland vs Sheffield United Mings not getting a red for headbutting El Ghazi Firmino disallowed goal AGAINST. Lansbury disallowed goal vs Palace phantom corner in the Carabao Cup final decisions vs Arsenal Fernandes dive Mane not getting a red at Villa Park No penalty for El Ghazi vs Sheffield United Engels assaulted at Bournemouth by the goalkeeper McGinn disallowed goal vs Burnley VAR stinks and even worse when led by such a corrupt league Billing should have had red, and that dude that destroyed Wesley also should have had red for dangerous play. But, the Lansbury goal could never be given, because the referee blew the whistle before the shot. Edited July 13, 2020 by momo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dante_Lockhart Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 Think I preferred it when Refs had the final say on everything. If they missed it they missed it. They're only human. Missing it after numerous replay angles and discussions just takes the piss. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Think I preferred it when Refs had the final say on everything. If they missed it they missed it. They're only human. Missing it after numerous replay angles and discussions just takes the piss. that was my argument from the very beginning of the thread! they should be targeting making refs better, fitter, younger and hope that more competent came along with it there seems to be a bit of a myth around refs that the old experienced guys make the best refs, don't see why that's necessarily the case who scouts the refs? how do you become an elite level ref? who is offering the tens of thousands of young failed footballers dropping out of football every year a route back in to football by being a ref? it seems like they have to spend 10 years+ kicking it around the lower leagues to then get the chance, then ask the question why cant they keep up with world class athletes? who have a support team of 20+ people such as physios, sports scientists, masseuses, nutritionists, dieticians, coaches, managers just to get them out on the pitch, comparatively what team does a ref have? compared to the hours of practice and looking after themselves footballers are expected to put in how many hours a week do refs actually work? would they be better if they were paid more, or at least it seem a more lucrative job choice rather than the seemingly archaic basic salary plus fees? all of that will lead you to the question why are people surprised 49 year old John Moss needs help keeping up? Edited July 13, 2020 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 13, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Think I preferred it when Refs had the final say on everything. If they missed it they missed it. They're only human. Missing it after numerous replay angles and discussions just takes the piss. Exactly why they should use the screens. It gives the same ref some help by giving him extra angles and slow mo, but it's still him giving the final decisions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Exactly why they should use the screens. It gives the same ref some help by giving him extra angles and slow mo, but it's still him giving the final decisions. VAR at the World Cup was great. No idea why they didn't do that in the PL. I think this week was the first time all season that a ref used the pitch-side screen, can't remember which game it was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Keyblade said: VAR at the World Cup was great. No idea why they didn't do that in the PL. I think this week was the first time all season that a ref used the pitch-side screen, can't remember which game it was. Because PL were arrogant and thought they could do it better 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Think I preferred it when Refs had the final say on everything. If they missed it they missed it. They're only human. Missing it after numerous replay angles and discussions just takes the piss. Well I guess VAR was introduced partly in response to the fact that managers used to spend 20 minutes after every match disputing referees' decisions. So why not introduce a review system independent of the refs, like had been brought in so successfully in cricket and tennis? There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the concept of VAR, and if used properly it could actually improve referees' decision making. But its implementation in the PL seems to have been incredibly botched. Taking 5 minutes while offside decisions are measured with a slide rule, and what appear to be clearly wrong decisions like disallowing Palace's goal yesterday and awarding Fernandes a spot kick in the Man U game, just to take two immediate examples, are discrediting the whole process. There needs to be a thorough review at the end of the season of what has gone wrong with implementation and what quite significant changes need to be made to get it working better and in the favour of the football being played, not against as at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Genie said: I thought the Palace goal should have stood yesterday, looked like shoulder to me which I thought was allowed. Certainly didn’t appear a “clear and obvious” error by the referee. I’m also very surprised Grealish’s appalling dive was not punished with a card. I'm pretty sure that Moss felt he owed us one for the other day. He also got the chance to overturn the Grealish penalty, it was pretty much the exact same scenario as against Urinal, it was like he had the chance to say well if I'd had a look at the Fernandes one I'd have overturned that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 13, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: VAR at the World Cup was great. No idea why they didn't do that in the PL. I think this week was the first time all season that a ref used the pitch-side screen, can't remember which game it was. Yeah what Zat said. It's like they wanted to fix problems that didn't exist and made it ten times worse in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Think I preferred it when Refs had the final say on everything. If they missed it they missed it. They're only human. Missing it after numerous replay angles and discussions just takes the piss. Yep, at least there was a degree of integrity about the mistakes previously, things done in the heat of the moment can be incorrect, I think most people accepted that referees could not be infallible. However, when it’s taking minutes to make a decision you have to begin wondering how artificial those decisions are and exactly what forces are manipulating them. FOOTBALL IS CORRUPT. Edited July 13, 2020 by bannedfromHandV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Proper finger in the wind stuff this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2020 Two stonewall penalties in the Man City game last night inexplicably not given. One was looked at and not given. The other overturned for no reason. It's proper bizarre stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 They really should look at the betting patterns for the games in the PL. Some of the calls given and not given are too bizarre as to not start asking questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Two stonewall penalties in the Man City game last night inexplicably not given. One was looked at and not given. The other overturned for no reason. It's proper bizarre stuff. The 2nd one was proper weird. Yes, he stepped on his leg, but if his leg wasn't there, he keeps going. Totally different to the Konsa/Fernandes situation. Then Bournemouth's goal, the VAF ref put the line on King's boot, then moved it forward which made him offside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Shocker in the Palace United game too. Absolute stonewall penalty on Zaha not given. VAR is genuinely starting to look like a tool to help the bigger teams at the moment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: Shocker in the Palace United game too. Absolute stonewall penalty on Zaha not given. VAR is genuinely starting to look like a tool to help the bigger teams at the moment. its corrupt and it **** stinks If any investigative journalist had balls they would investigate this farce 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Just now, Zatman said: its corrupt and it **** stinks If any investigative journalist had balls they would investigate this farce Why can’t one of the red tops do something useful for once and start a campaign to get it thrown out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Genie said: Why can’t one of the red tops do something useful for once and start a campaign to get it thrown out? too much money involved for them. Every controversial shitty decision means more articles they can sell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Ken McNaughts Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 There must be something in these Sky and MOTD pundits’ contracts that stipulates no-one can mention the simple, damning, fact that VAR technology has a 10-15cm margin of error. Round and round they go with every decision, never mentioning the key bit of pseudo-science at the heart of the phoney new VAR religion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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