Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Zatman said: VAR is only used in the FA Cup at Premier League grounds. another farce Why? I'm on board the "VAR is totally shit" train this season, despite my earlier support of it. It's an absolute shit show. But I don't understand the argument that if it can't be used at every single ground in a competition it shouldn't be used at all. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I just think it undermines the competition if its not available for all clubs. What if we were robbed of a blatant goal on Saturday and went out but as Fulham didnt have VAR the ref had zero help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Zatman said: I just think it undermines the competition if its not available for all clubs. What if we were robbed of a blatant goal on Saturday and went out but as Fulham didnt have VAR the ref had zero help I don't really see why it undermines it at all. Is it the same with goalline tech? Genuine question I'm not sure if it's used. I'm assuming Gillingham or Rochdale didn't have goalline tech for their games at the weekend. But I don't think it undermines the competition that the clubs/grounds that did have it were able to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 03/01/2020 at 14:49, bobzy said: Oh, I agree he doesn't dive - but he completely milks every challenge against him. It's whether or not you wish to call that "cheating", I guess. I don't like players who feign injury but there are a lot out there. something to be said for self preservation too. sometimes allowing yourself to fall and letting your body absorb the impact can reduce the strength of a direct kick or the awkward landing you would have to make if you stayed on your feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheMelvillan said: something to be said for self preservation too. sometimes allowing yourself to fall and letting your body absorb the impact can reduce the strength of a direct kick or the awkward landing you would have to make if you stayed on your feet It's more the rolling around "in agony" than exaggerated falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Why? I'm on board the "VAR is totally shit" train this season, despite my earlier support of it. It's an absolute shit show. But I don't understand the argument that if it can't be used at every single ground in a competition it shouldn't be used at all. Why not? Because it causes imbalance and ruins the integrity of the competition. I'm so unshocked that you don't see an issue in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Because it causes imbalance and ruins the integrity of the competition. Why does it? 30 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I'm so unshocked that you don't see an issue in this. You seem determined to get me to back VAR because of my previous stance. I don't. It's been an absolute disaster in the Premier League. You're right I don't see an issue with it, but I'm happy to change my mind if someone tells me an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Why does it? You seem determined to get me to back VAR because of my previous stance. I don't. It's been an absolute disaster in the Premier League. You're right I don't see an issue with it, but I'm happy to change my mind if someone tells me an issue. Because a competition should apply the same rules and regulations to each participant, I don't see why you can't see that. Let's say Liverpool went out on a VAR decision but Man United didn't because it wasn't being used, despite the two instances being identical in nature - how is that remotely fair? And yes, I am being a little deliberate in hounding you on this a bit but that's cos you were so certain of VAR being a good thing and if everyone (namely the powers that be) had seen it for what it is we wouldn't have had football ruined, perhaps that's hyperbole but I only see VAR getting worse from this point and more intrusive in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Because a competition should apply the same rules and regulations to each participant, I don't see why you can't see that. It does. 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Let's say Liverpool went out on a VAR decision but Man United didn't because it wasn't being used, despite the two instances being identical in nature - how is that remotely fair? It's not fair. But it's not unfair because of VAR. It's unfair because a ref made a wrong decision. How is that different to the same thing happening without VAR but one ref giving it and one not giving it? I'll ask the same question I asked before, should we not use goalline tech in cup competitions either? 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: And yes, I am being a little deliberate in hounding you on this a bit but that's cos you were so certain of VAR being a good thing and if everyone (namely the powers that be) had seen it for what it is we wouldn't have had football ruined, perhaps that's hyperbole but I only see VAR getting worse from this point and more intrusive in football. Well done. One internet point for you. Edited January 7, 2020 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It does. It's not fair. But it's not unfair because of VAR. It's unfair because a ref made a wrong decision. How is that different to the same thing happening without VAR but one ref giving it and one not giving it? I'll ask the same question I asked before, should we not use goalline tech in cup competitions either? Well done. One internet point for you. Only one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Another joke decision tonight with the last minute Snodgrass equaliser being disallowed because the ball hit the arm of Declan Rice well before the ball went in the net. The rule that if the ball touches any part of the arm/hand in the making of a goal its disallowed is an absolute joke. Who the hell comes up with these rules???? They cant have any idea of what the game is about and surely have never played it. Its a complete bag of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, imavillan said: Another joke decision tonight Nah, they've got that spot on (in terms of correctly applying the laws of the game). Though can't disagree with the rest, the handball law is currently a one sided farce loaded against the attacking team. Unfortunately I suspect the remedy in future will be to penalise defensive handballs as punitively as they've done this season with attacking handballs as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Ken McNaughts Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 A fine example of the insanity of the new handball situation. Once the ball has hit Declan Rice's hand from very close range, West Ham are correctly and legally in possession of the ball (under IFAB laws, Rice has committed no offence) yet cannot legally score. When the goal is ruled out, VAR is not correcting an error or oversight by the match officials – it is actually implementing a totally different criterion to the on-field laws. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Continuing to ruin the game for everyone except the stattos. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Do other leagues that have used VAR have these same problems? The World Cup was fine apart from the ridiculous hand ball given in the final but even that was down to the refs decision once checking the screen. Champions league has had the odd issues but on the whole ok. Why are we getting it so wrong in the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 4 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Continuing to ruin the game for everyone except the stattos. 2 big banners at Selhurst Park earlier asking for it to be scrapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Genie said: 2 big banners at Selhurst Park earlier asking for it to be scrapped Yet all their fans were chanting "VAR! VAR! VAR!" multiple times during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, PieFacE said: Yet all their fans were chanting "VAR! VAR! VAR!" multiple times during the game. People will still call for it if it suits them. I hate VAR, but if I felt something had gone against Villa and VAR was present I’d want it checked. I think there’s a place for it, not checking goals for offside though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Genie said: People will still call for it if it suits them. I hate VAR, but if I felt something had gone against Villa and VAR was present I’d want it checked. I think there’s a place for it, not checking goals for offside though. Yeh definitely a place for it. It can only get better. They just need to start using it an aid to assist refs when they have clearly got it wrong. Not to try and get every single decision 100% correct and making up new interpretations of the rules to try and accommodate this. If there’s no clear and obvious error made by the on field ref or linesmen. Then stay the f**k out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 LiVARpool getting away with a clear Andy Robertson red card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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