HanoiVillan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I’m agaisnt it though you do read some crimes that make your blood boil and under the emotional circumstance you think they deserve to die ... but law shouldn’t work based on emotion but then again when you have a milosovic , Hussein or a Gadalfi type who have killed or tortured on a mass scale , I’m not entirely sure a life sentence in jail really fits the crime ... This is probably where I am. I'm against it in all circumstances that I think I can foresee in the UK. However, when I think about the Nuremberg trials, I don't think the punishment for those who hanged was unjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 7, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: This is probably where I am. I'm against it in all circumstances that I think I can foresee in the UK. However, when I think about the Nuremberg trials, I don't think the punishment for those who hanged was unjust. Interesting side note, but with those executions (and suicides) the photos were published to prove that the criminals were actually dead. It was prohibited to publish them in the UK at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: Interesting side note, but with those executions (and suicides) the photos were published to prove that the criminals were actually dead. It was prohibited to publish them in the UK at the time. When they executed Barzan (just before Saddam ) his head came off as they had mis-calculated his weight and the drop ... probably won’t being seeing that one on YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 7, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2018 56 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: When they executed Barzan (just before Saddam ) his head came off as they had mis-calculated his weight and the drop ... probably won’t being seeing that one on YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) I am not in favour of murder. But in a same subject I feel that if someone does a serious acid attack on someone the victim should be given the option of to do it back to the attacker. thats the worst I'd go. (Controversial I know) but the attacker should know what it's like to do that to their victim(s) Edited January 7, 2018 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 You can’t have a state that condemns murder and then punishes with murder, it just doesn’t make sense. If you believe Prison should be rehabilitation rather than punishment there is also no room for a death penalty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Pedant alert but state approved death penalty isn't murder as it would be a lawful act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 7, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I am not in favour of murder. But in a same subject I feel that if someone does a serious acid attack on someone the victim should be given the option of to do it back to the attacker. thats the worst I'd go. (Controversial I know) but the attacker should know what it's like to do that to their victim(s) No, no, no, no, no. This is absolutely the wrong way to go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I am not in favour of murder. But in a same subject I feel that if someone does a serious acid attack on someone the victim should be given the option of to do it back to the attacker. thats the worst I'd go. (Controversial I know) but the attacker should know what it's like to do that to their victim(s) Eye for an eye then basically Dem?. Edited January 7, 2018 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I am not in favour of murder. But in a same subject I feel that if someone does a serious acid attack on someone the victim should be given the option of to do it back to the attacker. thats the worst I'd go. (Controversial I know) but the attacker should know what it's like to do that to their victim(s) yep, and whilst we're at it we can cut the hands off thieves and roll cars over the families of drink drivers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I'd be up for watching a real life version of The Running Man as long as the production values were high quality . The deaths can't look tasteless. It would only be for really serious criminals like shoplifters and the guilty verdict must have been one struck with confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 8 hours ago, chrisp65 said: yep, and whilst we're at it we can cut the hands off thieves and roll cars over the families of drink drivers Wrong or right I bet that would reduce the amount of those crimes due to the fear of the repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 To be fair, cutting thieves' hands off is about the only thing I agree with the Saudis on! Though I must say I'm speaking as victim of a house burglary where they got four years in jail and likely to be out sooner to do it all over again so not the best judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 In the US, roughly 4% of death row inmates are wrongly accused/innocent. That is reason enough to oppose the death penalty for me, despite how I think some people might deserve it as a punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) The death penalty increases the victim count IMO. If you are going to get the death penalty anyway then there is nothing to lose if you stop killing now or kill another 50. The penalty will be the same in reality. EG. Someone has shot and killed a security officer and a bank teller in a bank robbery and there are 10 hostages and he is in the bank. The 10 hostages have more chance of survival in a non death penalty arena surely? Edited January 8, 2018 by Amsterdam_Neil_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: The death penalty increases the victim count IMO. If you are going to get the death penalty anyway then there is nothing to lose if you stop killing now or kill another 50. The penalty will be the same in reality. EG. Someone has shot and killed a security officer and a bank teller in a bank robbery and there are 10 hostages and he is in the bank. The 10 hostages have more chance of survival in a non death penalty arena surely? I agree with part of what you say, it is correct that you have to be very careful with severity of punishment towards more minor crimes. Imagine a scenario where someone robs a bank or shop and assume that if they get caught then its 40 years in prison, you could say that's fair enough and should be more of a deterrent towards committing the crime but all you are really doing is making it much more appealing to execute all the witnesses to ensure a better chance of getting away with it. I feel like that is something people often don't consider when making throwaway comments about hitting people with massive jail times for non-murder crimes. Edited January 8, 2018 by AVFCDAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2018 10 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I am not in favour of murder. But in a same subject I feel that if someone does a serious acid attack on someone the victim should be given the option of to do it back to the attacker. thats the worst I'd go. (Controversial I know) but the attacker should know what it's like to do that to their victim(s) This is utterly absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: This is utterly absurd Does anyone know anyone that has had this donw to them? The physiological effect it has on them is life changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, Demitri_C said: Does anyone know anyone that has had this donw to them? The physiological effect it has on them is life changing. I totally agree. it's a horrible, horrible crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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