Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 54 minutes ago, peterms said: It's a bullet situation then I suppose and at a very basic level, the energy = mass times maximum speed, squared never helps either. If only they had more candles and notes on the pavement as close as they can get to the mass killing site then that would be great & in combination with more prayers they might have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2017 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 How ironic that the only response offered to this situation is hopes and prayers which is probably the only thing which does absolutely sod all to help the situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, AVFCDAN said: How ironic that the only response offered to this situation is hopes and prayers which is probably the only thing which does absolutely sod all to help the situation. Yup & once again it happened in a church, The Headquarters of thoughts & prayers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rodders Posted November 6, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, AVFCDAN said: How ironic that the only response offered to this situation is hopes and prayers which is probably the only thing which does absolutely sod all to help the situation. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 What I don't understand is that apparently there was a 'good guy with a gun' nearby who chased and shot the "mental health" affected citizen. I thought that's how you stop mass shootings, has the NRA been lying to me? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 it's amazing they use that argument in this instance really, when it quite clearly didn't stop the nutter killing and wounding pretty much everyone in there in the first place. They obviously forgot the pre-emptive minority report strike ( which to be fair usually they're pretty good at doing in other examples, such as a black man driving a car, or a black man walking down a street, or a black man foolishly existing too noticeably, etc.etc.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Didn't trump sign an order to allow those with mental health problems the ability to purchase guns? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, omariqy said: Didn't trump sign an order to allow those with mental health problems the ability to purchase guns? Quote Updated | Within his first two months as president, Donald Trump repealed without public display an Obama administration gun regulation that prevented certain individuals with mental health conditions from buying firearms. Prior to Trump’s overturning the rule on February 28, four Democratic senators and an independent who are up for re-election in 2018 had sided with their Republican colleagues by voting to revoke it. Related: Under Trump, what will happen on guns? The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA was required to identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can’t manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and therefore were ineligible to buy guns. The thought was that those certain Social Security recipients could pose a danger to themselves or others. Keep Up With This Story And More By Subscribing Now The repeal is a significant step for gun advocates. The GOP-controlled Senate in mid-February voted in favor of revoking the resolution, 57-43. Democratic Senators Joe Donnelly (Indiana), Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota), Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Jon Tester (Montana), along with independent Senator Angus King (Maine), voted with the Republicans. The National Rifle Association applauded the Senate’s decision, calling the existing regulation “Obama’s unconstitutional gun grab.” “It is correct to state that there is no inherent connection between being mentally ill and being dangerous,” Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said on the chamber floor at the time of the vote. “But the risk here is not just that an individual is going to buy a gun and use it themselves. The risk is that someone who can’t literally deposit their own paycheck probably can’t, or likely can’t, responsibly own and protect a gun.” Earlier in February, the House moved forward with the measure by a 235-180 vote. Trump’s repeal also reverses the SSA rule on reporting possibly dangerous individuals to NICS. In the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre, Republican President George W. Bush signed the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 to ensure that individuals who are deemed unqualified to possess guns due to mental health or other reasons could be easily identified through NICS. A Virginia court had ruled the Virginia Tech killer a danger to himself, but the state hadn’t submitted his case to NICS before he was able to buy firearms and fatally shoot 32 people in April 2007. Even with the law, the data submitted often was incomplete. In the wake of the December 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School—where a mentally ill man killed 20 first-graders and six educators—the Obama administration renewed efforts to strengthen the 2007 law, among other initiatives to tighten gun laws. (But Obama failed to pass major gun legislation during his eight years in office, something he has said is one of his greatest regrets.) Officials first proposed the SSA rule in summer 2015 and finalized it in December 2016, Obama’s last full month in office. When related to mass shootings, mental illness has long been cause for debate. On the campaign trail, Trump often shifted the conversation about gun control to mental health, which he said is an issue politicians have ignored for too long. Republican senators supported overturning the rule, arguing that it violated law-abiding citizens’ Second Amendment right to bear arms and stigmatized Americans with disabilities. “The regulation is flawed beyond any kind of repair. It results in reporting people to the gun ban list that should not be on that list at all. It deprives those people [of] their constitutional rights and, in a very important way, violating their constitutional rights without even due process,” said Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Judiciary Committee chairman. But those who felt they were unfairly affected by the regulation could appeal the restriction. Meanwhile, on the other side, Democrats argued that opposing background checks is outside mainstream thought, and they view the repeal as weakening the federal system. “This debate is about background checks. It’s about mental health. It is not about taking away constitutional rights,” said Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). Murphy said revoking the standing rule would make it more difficult for the federal government to put Americans who are seriously mentally ill, or who pose a risk to public safety, on the list of those who are prohibited from buying guns. “We know that people with serious mental illness in this country can go buy a very powerful weapon and do great damage with it,” said Murphy, who represents the state where the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre occurred. Federal law requires licensed firearms dealers to perform background checks on prospective purchasers and to maintain records of the sales. But unlicensed private sellers—on the internet and at gun shows, for example—are not required to observe the same policies. Most groups and advocates who favor stronger gun laws are pushing to strengthen the federal background checks system. Due to years of inaction in Congress, they have taken their fight to states, where they most recently scored victories on expanding background checks to private gun sales and transfers in California, Nevada and Washington state. Organizations like the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and Everytown for Gun Safety argue that the repeal would make it easier for Americans with serious illnesses to buy guns. The issue is a tricky one, considering that divides remain on the question of whether it’s more important to protect the right to own a gun or to control gun ownership. Pew Research Center polling in August showed that 75 percent of registered voters who favored Trump want stricter background checks. This article has been updated to reflect Trump’s reversal of the Obama rule. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overturn-guns-mental-health-regulation-557237 Edited November 6, 2017 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, villa89 said: What I don't understand is that apparently there was a 'good guy with a gun' nearby who chased and shot the "mental health" affected citizen. I thought that's how you stop mass shootings, has the NRA been lying to me? I guess he/They (seems to be 2 of them) did seemingly react to the situation & fired at the shooter which may have prevented this being even worse as he could well have been on his way to another church or been involved in a shootout with police (if reports he had taken a hostage are correct). Someone carrying out a mass shooting is stopped by being shot by someone else with a gun, not sure it's the best argument but it may just be true in this instance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 the gun apparently other than the bullshit about being able to overthrow their own government should the occasion call for it i dont see how people can possibly justify him having that gun, thats not for hunting or for protection, thats for **** shit up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2017 He's allowed to have it because some people really really like guns, and that's it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 hours ago, AVFCDAN said: How ironic that the only response offered to this situation is hopes and prayers which is probably the only thing which does absolutely sod all to help the situation. Not to mention what people were doing when they were shot at. My suggestion would be people can shove their prayers where the sun don't shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, omariqy said: Didn't trump sign an order to allow those with mental health problems the ability to purchase guns? He probably didn't want to lose his guns. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I don't know how many here follow Trump on Twitter (I recommend it for entertainment), but after the NY incident this man was tweeting nonstop about closing the borders, visa lottery, death penalty, Gitmo...you name it. This being barely a month since he and his team were telling everyone not to politicize a tragedy. Today? It's all mum on that front. Nothing but thoughts and prayers to go around. It really grinds my gears and scares me how easily and effectively minorities (in this case Muslims) are scapegoated under this administration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2017 I dunno, there's some amusement at the metal gymnastics of decrying active politicising yet another gun massacre, whilst simultaneously flipping that once a Islamic terror incident happens. The first time a gun loving patriot Muslim has that bad day and shoots up somewhere, they won't know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 It just shows how he's either; Fully racist (hence the vitriol when someone who isn't white does these things) or He's so backed by gun corps that speaking about any form of gun control would led to him being dumped. He's stuck in an impossible situation where he can't say one thing without looking like the other, so he's currently both. Moron. I've said before, he'll be leaving the White House in a 6ft long wooden box. (this is not a threat!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: I've said before, he'll be leaving the White House in a 6ft long wooden box. (this is not a threat!) You'd think the President of the United States would have a better car wouldn't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted November 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2017 As relevant (and redundant) as all the previous times it’s been posted: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 This guy has a dis-honorable discharged from the military too. Bet there's a whole bunch of gun sellers scrambling to get their books in order. I wonder are you allowed to buy guns with this kind of charge, because you can't if you have a felony conviction and this surely stands equivalent to that given all the crap the military puts up with. Such a pity the good guys with guns couldn't have intervened prior to the shooting starting, though, I should be fair and acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of lives saved by them acting when they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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