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BOF Posted July 4, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 4, 2018 No-one has wondered why they haven't gone with the tennis tie-break ordering penalty shoot-out of 1-22-11-22-11-2 rather than the traditional 12-12-12-12-12 in this world cup? Given that they've introduced VAR, they're clearly not afraid of innovation, and the tennis order has been proven to be a much more even (fairer) order on team 2. It seems the impetus to bring this in across the board has cooled since it was briefly introduced a while back. Maybe too many footballers* were too thick to take it on? * don't @ me. Not all of them !! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 You mean the A-B-B-A method BOF? Yeah it was used in a few games in England last season but just experiment at this stage. Would certainly meet your Waterloo with that method though.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 49 minutes ago, BOF said: No-one has wondered why they haven't gone with the tennis tie-break ordering penalty shoot-out of 1-22-11-22-11-2 rather than the traditional 12-12-12-12-12 in this world cup? Given that they've introduced VAR, they're clearly not afraid of innovation, and the tennis order has been proven to be a much more even (fairer) order on team 2. It seems the impetus to bring this in across the board has cooled since it was briefly introduced a while back. Maybe too many footballers* were too thick to take it on? * don't @ me. Not all of them !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 I think I was with the footballers then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 I have no idea what all the above means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I have no idea what all the above means. Like a snake draft but for penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I have no idea what all the above means. There was a recent penalty shootout system where Team A would take the first penalty as usual. Then Team B would take their first two penalties before Team A then takes their second penalty. It would then alternate in a way to even out the pressure of going second and potentially always playing catch up I guess. So as an example (let’s pretend it’s still 1994) - Penalty 1 - Saunders Penalty 2 - Tranmere player Penalty 3 - Tranmere player Penalty 4 - Teale Penalty 5 - Fenton Penalty 6 - Tranmere player Penalty 7 - Tranmere player Penalty 8 - Atkinson Penalty 9 - Ehiogu Penalty 10 - Tranmere player Not quite sure what happens in the sudden death bit, but I imagine Kevin Richardson still successfully manages to launch his penalty to the furthest reaches of the solar system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 Nah, don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 4, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Nah, don't like it. Basically in the current penalty system, all going to plan, team A are always in front, so team B are always playing catch-up. Thus the pressure dynamic is loaded in favour of team A and statistically team A wins quite a lot more often than team B does. In the tennis system, the 2 teams take turns at being in the lead, so the pressure is split evenly. So; again; "all going to plan", the scoring goes as follows Team A : 1-0 Team B : 1-1 Team B : 1-2 Team A : 2-2 Team A : 3-2 Team B : 3-3 Team B : 3-4 Team A : 4-4 Team A : 5-4 Team B : 5-5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 It’s much fairer. I dont remember the exact number but team A wins penalty shootouts a lot more than team B. It’s clearly an advantage to shoot first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 Unless you’re Columbia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 It's such an obviously better system that I don't really see the arguments against it. I guess it's 'tradition'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 A few stats around penalty shootouts, from the beeb - Quote The side that wins the coin toss and decides to go first has an important advantage, with teams going first having triumphed 60% of the time. Researchers from the London School of Economics blamed the psychological pressure of 'lagging behind' for affecting performance. Teams going second in World Cup penalty shootouts have a 69% conversion rate, whereas the team going first have a 73% record. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/44641247 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: Unless you’re Columbia. Or Yale or Harvard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said: Unless you’re Columbia. Or Colombia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Or Colombia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Don't beat yourself up, amount of people who post the American version on social media is staggering. Up there with Kieran Clarke certainly. Was on a ground tour of VP years ago and under Angel's name on the international caps board it was spelt Columbia! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 What do you mean there’s no matches today?!? What am I supposed to do with myself tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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