lexicon Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 9 hours ago, srsmithusa said: Of course physical size strength is an asset, but it’s not an essential. Messi is small and slow. Maradonna was short. But they could roll off the hits. A low center of gravity and good balance are also positive physical attributes. Messi isn't slow, firstly but more importantly you're talking about attackers here. For defensive players it's more important to have some size and strength about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted May 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted May 4, 2018 18 hours ago, lexicon said: No I didn't, I'm only just in my thirties. I don't think it's worthwhile using footballers from that long ago as a benchmark, though - it's a lot more prudent to look at your average CDM in the top two tiers of football in this country and compare him to that. He's smaller and not as strong, which IMO is stopping from him getting game time at this point. Makalele wasnt and Kante isnt that big for CDM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Strong buggers though, which is what he needs to work on. No reason why he can't make it, just needs to bulk up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 04/05/2018 at 02:22, praisedmambo said: Messi is slow now?! He's certainly got some acceleration on him—he breezes past players from standing. He's not slow either. Sorry, I was imprecise. His first few steps are very quick. But coaches talk about quickness over the first yard or two and speed over 20 yards. Messi has quickness but not speed. But my bigger point is that the blanket statement that “he’s not big enough” is not precise either. of course strength and size and speed can be assets, but they are not necessarily ceiling limiting. A low center of gravity is an asset, But you wouldn’t say someone is too tall to play midfield. Good players use their physical assets effectively, whatever those assets are http://bleacherreport.com/articles/857543-lionel-messi-and-the-25-best-small-players-in-the-world-right-now#slide2 https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/in-soccer-being-short-can-help/372617/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 5, 2018 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2018 I don't think Doyle-Hayes is particularly short and he's physically developed over the course of the season. We're not talking about a 16 year old whippet thin strip of stuff here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't think Doyle-Hayes is particularly short and he's physically developed over the course of the season. We're not talking about a 16 year old whippet thin strip of stuff here. To be fair, cowans was slight when he first appeared on the scene, they have to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 5, 2018 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, TRO said: To be fair, cowans was slight when he first appeared on the scene, they have to develop. But Doyle-Hayes isn't really that slight anymore. I understand the conversation, I'm not sure how much it will apply to the player next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: But Doyle-Hayes isn't really that slight anymore. I understand the conversation, I'm not sure how much it will apply to the player next season. What i mean is.......i want to see him in that environment to form a comfortable judgment. at youth level they do play in a lesser physical environment, naturally....there is less of a tendency for their game to be negated....its an observation, not a criticism, they have to learn skills first, i understand that. Many players move up, only to find the skills that got them there are nullified by the rigours of leagues like the championship.....we need to see them in the fist team, to be sure.....but when you are going for promotion, opportunities are slim. its tricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 5, 2018 Moderator Share Posted May 5, 2018 I think it's his physicality that will get him chances next season if we don't go up - he's smaller than Jedinak, but he's a carbon copy of Whelan - where he beats both is that he can still run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Wow, saw this lad absolutely run a league cup game against Wigan a year ago and he looked like 5'4". He is at least 6 foot now. If his game continues to develop could be a great player Nearly scored a screamer there! Great technique Edited July 21, 2018 by ramshackler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, ramshackler said: Wow, saw this lad absolutely run a league cup game against Wigan a year ago and he looked like 5'4". He is at least 6 foot now. If his game continues to develop could be a great player I went to that game, he didn't look 5'4" lol. Looks a brilliant prospect though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 This thread all mentioning he may be too small. Certainly remember him being small in size. A quick Google shows last year's recorded height was 1.65m? 5 foot 4.9inches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 He is a Cavan lad, hope he keeps the ball as well as kept all his comminion and confirmation money 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, ramshackler said: This thread all mentioning he may be too small. Certainly remember him being small in size. A quick Google shows last year's recorded height was 1.65m? 5 foot 4.9inches? I think this thread is referring to his build rather than his height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: He is a Cavan lad, hope he keeps the ball as well as kept all his comminion and confirmation money What’s a Cavan lad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 looks capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Showed some good technique today. Could definitely be useful this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffoman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, sir_gary_cahill said: What’s a Cavan lad? - A Cavan man and his wife were at the fair and a pilot was offering a free flight to anyone who would stay quiet while he did loop the loops in the small plane. If they screamed it would cost $50.- The Cavan couple climbed on board and the pilot did his worst to complete silence from the back of the plane.- Finally he landed and he complimented the Cavan man on the two-way radio for staying quiet.“Ah now, I nearly shouted when the wife fell out," the Cavan man replied. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Really hope he gets more of a chance this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, heffoman said: - A Cavan man and his wife were at the fair and a pilot was offering a free flight to anyone who would stay quiet while he did loop the loops in the small plane. If they screamed it would cost $50.- The Cavan couple climbed on board and the pilot did his worst to complete silence from the back of the plane.- Finally he landed and he complimented the Cavan man on the two-way radio for staying quiet.“Ah now, I nearly shouted when the wife fell out," the Cavan man replied. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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