TRO Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: We were ten times the team when he wasn't playing when we had Grealish. notice the word " Type" not necessarily him. personally, I think he has gone now....too slow....He never was quick, but slower than ever. but despite Grealish being a fine player....He is not an enforcer either. Edited February 1, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holteend1982 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: We were ten times the team when he wasn't playing when we had Grealish. Which games were these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: We were ten times the team when he wasn't playing when we had Grealish. because Jack carried the ball, and kept possession, unless he was fouled and even then, he retained it, as a free kick....keeping possession is in itself a form of defensive work, because without the ball the opposition, can't hurt us. Edited February 1, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, holteend1982 said: Which games were these? The ones where we were ten times the team before Grealish got injured. Every single game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holteend1982 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: The ones where we were ten times the team before Grealish got injured. Every single game. We was better because Grealish was in the team, nothing to do with Whelan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, holteend1982 said: We was better because Grealish was in the team, nothing to do with Whelan. We were better because of Grealish, I agree. I only said the first thing because TRO had said, Whelan's type was essential—and I was being anal, messing around a bit, and trying to point out that in our best run of results we didn't have a Whelan type in the team at all. Hourihane wasn't really a DM but more of a deep playmaker. Therefore a Whelan type isn't essential. The thing that lets Hourihane down the most is his pace, and I don't agree that we need a Whelan type at all—I just think we need someone who is quick enough to stop players gliding past them as if they're not there (a problem with Hourihane, Whelan, BB and Jedinak) and who is also able to pass the ball forwards. Edited February 1, 2019 by praisedmambo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltorken Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: We were better because of Grealish, I agree. I only said the first thing because TRO had said, Whelan's type was essential—and I was being anal, messing around a bit, and trying to point out that in our best run of results we didn't have a Whelan type in the team at all. Hourihane wasn't really a DM but more of a deep playmaker. Therefore a Whelan type isn't essential. The thing that lets Hourihane down the most is his pace, and I don't agree that we need a Whelan type at all—I just think we need someone who is quick enough to stop players gliding past them as if they're not there (a problem with Hourihane, Whelan, BB and Jedinak), while also being able to pass the ball forwards. To be fair it's most successful teams in the past few seasons operate with a designated DM, WC 2018 – France – Kante Euro 2016 – Portugal - William Carvalho Prem 2018 – City - Fernandinho Prem 2017 – Chelsea – Kante Prem 2016 – Leicester – Kante Champions League 2018 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2017 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2016 – Real Madrid - Casemiro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, kiltorken said: To be fair it's most successful teams in the past few seasons operate with a designated DM, WC 2018 – France – Kante Euro 2016 – Portugal - William Carvalho Prem 2018 – City - Fernandinho Prem 2017 – Chelsea – Kante Prem 2016 – Leicester – Kante Champions League 2018 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2017 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2016 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Every team needs at least one..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 hours ago, TRO said: These type of players rarely get the plaudits.....Sergio Busquets would probably be top of the pile and only the discerning fans would notice him. They are essential, but not necessarily eye candy. Comparing Busquets with Whelan is like comparing Leo Messi with Michael Boulding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 hours ago, kiltorken said: To be fair it's most successful teams in the past few seasons operate with a designated DM, WC 2018 – France – Kante Euro 2016 – Portugal - William Carvalho Prem 2018 – City - Fernandinho Prem 2017 – Chelsea – Kante Prem 2016 – Leicester – Kante Champions League 2018 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2017 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2016 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Difference being that those people still have the use of their legs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 32 minutes ago, sne said: Difference being that those people still have the use of their legs. And can control/pass the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiltorken Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 From a defensive point of view if you actually watch the work he does off the ball covering space, cutting off channels he's actually quite effective and his passing is nowhere near as bad as people make out. Another one consigned to scapegoatism here. Either way he will be replaced in the summer regardless of your opinion of him so constantly ripping into him serves no purpose. If Dean Smith reckons he's good enough for the first team at the moment then he must have something about him unless of course you think Smith is a moron who has no idea what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 If he was 5 years younger he'd be great. He's surprisingly a better passer than I initially pegged him as. It's just that he can barely move across the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Keyblade said: If he was 5 years younger he'd be great. He's surprisingly a better passer than I initially pegged him as. It's just that he can barely move across the pitch. As an Irishman, I can assure you he was equally bad 5 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazilla Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mat Kendrick's Dentist said: As an Irishman, I can assure you he was equally bad 5 years ago. That is a frightening statement to make. How on earth are Villa going to get into the playoffs if we have to rely on Whelan in midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 We have signed far too many hasbeens over the years. He’s simply the latest in a long line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Fazilla said: That is a frightening statement to make. How on earth are Villa going to get into the playoffs if we have to rely on Whelan in midfield? I don't think we are....we simply don't do the things you need to do, to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 On 01/02/2019 at 17:36, kiltorken said: To be fair it's most successful teams in the past few seasons operate with a designated DM, WC 2018 – France – Kante Euro 2016 – Portugal - William Carvalho Prem 2018 – City - Fernandinho Prem 2017 – Chelsea – Kante Prem 2016 – Leicester – Kante Champions League 2018 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2017 – Real Madrid - Casemiro Champions League 2016 – Real Madrid - Casemiro add Busquets at Barcelona.....but you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Whelan is fine for 20 - 25 starts a season and then coming on as a sub to close games out. Problem here is our injuries and poor options make him a starter most games and he really cant keep up with schedule 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted February 4, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Zatman said: Whelan is fine for 20 - 25 starts a season and then coming on as a sub to close games out. Problem here is our injuries and poor options make him a starter most games and he really cant keep up with schedule No he is not. For a DM he does way to little of the dirty work and often backs off, when an opponent is coming at him with the ball and often he is way to far of the man he should be covering when we are under pressure. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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