EFL TV deal and League Splits

[TRO]

18 minutes ago, Dave-R said:

That is why the clubs should break away and make a second premier league,it is obvious the EFL isnt respecting the big clubs thathave fallen out of the premiership. Not to mention making the gap in money coming in a season from broadcasts between bottom premiere sides and top/big championship clubs,the gap is to absurd and disgusting.

The only way I see it getting sorted is if the breakaway and a newly formed league happens because the EFL are laughing at our clubs not to mention all the way to the bank with the money they are raking in and not paying out.

It's similar to life really what's going on here, if your not in the premier they are saying your club isn't getting anything like what the premier clubs are all while saying the premier is of a higher class than the championship and the rest aren't worth anything there for your in the lower class compared to the higher class.

Everywhere where money is concerned there is greed, control and power and just when you think football had gone out of control with big money signing in the 90s. Now we have this effecting our game, a new low in football and it's one hell of a disgrace from the EFL makes your blood boil it does..

The problem is Dave by definition Premier means first...so you can't.

The big clubs in the EFL are in a difficult position....they have distorted the league in some ways by their very existence....they are very much between a rock and a hard place.

Games involving clubs like Villa, Leeds and Derby attract bigger gates than some Premier games as we all know, so the commercial reward from Sky is paltrey....The deal currently is too general and screams of one fits all, which is not very sophisticated....maybe it should reflect volume of spectators from the gate which would equally reflect audience attraction...probably more fair.

I guess it all boils down to getting out of the league and until we do, there will be very few sympathisers to our plight.

It seems to me we have been a bridesmaid for too long and until the  "knight in shining armour"  comes along to Marry us....these issues will raise their ugly head again and again.

We all know what the answer to our dilemma is, that's why the erstwhile manager has gone.....We have to win our games and draws and defeats have to be exceptional.

That's where we are at.

 

 

 

[Chewie]

4 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

It’s bullshit. Corrupt crap. How can the bottom team in the league get 100m and the team that’s top in efl scrapes 10m? 

It's quite simple. Outside of the fans whose teams that are in the Championship, absolutely no one gives a rat's ass about the English second league. Yes, no one also cares about Huddersfield v Bournemouth but that is just part of a package that the whole world want to see.

[OutByEaster?]

59 minutes ago, Chewie said:

It's quite simple. Outside of the fans whose teams that are in the Championship, absolutely no one gives a rat's ass about the English second league.

I'd be interested to see how its viewing figures compare to that of some other leagues. I know in terms of attendance it was the third biggest league in Europe in 2017, I have a feeling it'll be down on that in terms of viewing figures, but I bet it's not far down.

 

[sne]

Well it's behind the PL, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, and the Bundesliga and about similar to 2 Bundesliga and the Turkish League in the figures I can find when it comes to attendances.

May very well be the most watched 2nd division on telly for all I know but I don't think that is saying much.

Doubt anyone in Europe outside the UK and Scandinavia is tuning in regularly to watch EFL.

Obviously all these things change from year to year depending on who gets promoted and relegated. Teams like Villa, Newcastle, Lens, Hamburg and others draw huge crowds.

Edited November 20, 2018 by sne

[OutByEaster?]

18 minutes ago, sne said:

Well it's behind the PL, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, and the Bundesliga and about similar to 2 Bundesliga and the Turkish League in the figures I can find when it comes to attendances.

Bigger crowds than La Liga in 2016-17.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42704713

Newcastle have left since then, so things might have changed.

In terms of viewing figures, the nearest I can find suggests that this seasons most watched Serie A game had almost 2m viewers as opposed to 820k for last seasons most watched Championship game. Interestingly there's a big drop off in Italy for viewer numbers after the top couple of teams, with some games getting less than 10,000 viewers - I wonder how close the averages might be.

 

 

 

[sne]

1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said:

Bigger crowds than La Liga in 2016-17.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42704713

Newcastle have left since then, so things might have changed.

In terms of viewing figures, the nearest I can find suggests that this seasons most watched Serie A game had almost 2m viewers as opposed to 820k for last seasons most watched Championship game. Interestingly there's a big drop off in Italy for viewer numbers after the top couple of teams, with some games getting less than 10,000 viewers - I wonder how close the averages might be.

 

 

 

Transfermarkt and worldfootball have attendance figures with averages from different seasons.

That's where I found mine.

No idea how accurate they are.

Imagine the TV money Championship clubs get are still bigger than most teams outside England gets.

Not sure how they are distributed anymore since I now longer write about it but at least La Liga used to be so that Barca and Real got 50% of all TV money, Atletico, Sevilla and Valencia and maybe Bilbao got something like 25% and the rest of the clubs got to share the last 25%.

In the Bundesliga it is as expected fairly evenly distributed although Bayern gets the most.

[Raver50032]

Who would screen the breakaway league?

Sky and BT specialise in the PL. If the Championship malcontents decide to form a breakaway league, who will screen it and pay bigger money than what Sky have already bid? Setanta? Quest?

 

Be careful what you wish for. Don't get me wrong, the deal isn't great, but what realistic alternative is there?

[Demitri_C]

3 minutes ago, Raver50032 said:

Who would screen the breakaway league?

Sky and BT specialise in the PL. If the Championship malcontents decide to form a breakaway league, who will screen it and pay bigger money than what Sky have already bid? Setanta? Quest?

 

Be careful what you wish for. Don't get me wrong, the deal isn't great, but what realistic alternative is there?

Benin sports, international broadcasters or how about itv or BBC? Why should we be bullied by this pathetic deal from the efl? They ignored us and big clubs like leeds.Even the villa vs blose derby is bigger than the lame derbies like Southampton vs bournmouth or fulham vs Chelsea.

If the club's stick together then the efl cant ignore us all.

 

[Stevo985]

15 hours ago, Dave-R said:

Well I've just read there are about 15 or so clubs from the championship ready to form a breakaway PL2 which if happens is a bombshell.

The EFL and SKY need to sort this out and pay the club's more,  at a time a new deal get sealed they are asking for trouble and the club's will walk from the league which throws a whole season up in the air and possibly next season also.

Imagine a walkout and what it could do to the championship, more clubs would no doubt have to be promoted from the lower league and demoted from the premier to fill the championship, just to fill the championship back up.

Then there for all we know if this break away happens if other clubs in other leagues feel they are hard done by as well, they too could end up joining this new league or what could  be a whole new set of leagues, could turn football into absoloute madness for a while.

It's obvious the EFL and SKY have greed on there minds and them not paying the club's what they really should be earning from broadcasts.

If an all new league is formed and by the club's that sign this deal, could sky then create a completely new deal that is with the club's directly and all money in that deal goes to the club's who run or are in that league??

The feedback from the FCG was that we're not about to walk away from a football league that we founded.

So if there was a breakaway (which I don't think there ever would be fwiw) I doubt we'd be part of it.

[S-Platt]

29 minutes ago, Raver50032 said:

Who would screen the breakaway league?

Sky and BT specialise in the PL. If the Championship malcontents decide to form a breakaway league, who will screen it and pay bigger money than what Sky have already bid? Setanta? Quest?

 

Be careful what you wish for. Don't get me wrong, the deal isn't great, but what realistic alternative is there?

Elevensports who have the rights for La Liga and Serie A.  Owned by the guy who owns Leeds he will be all over it but the question is would he care about League One and Two?  Would us as individuals pay £10 a month or whatever for the new channel?  I am sure he will know the viewing figures and the advertising revenue they generate to put a value on it.  

With regards to attendances there are a lot more games in The Championship so that will add to the overall attendance.

[wilko154]

43 minutes ago, Raver50032 said:

Who would screen the breakaway league?

Sky and BT specialise in the PL. If the Championship malcontents decide to form a breakaway league, who will screen it and pay bigger money than what Sky have already bid? Setanta? Quest?

 

Be careful what you wish for. Don't get me wrong, the deal isn't great, but what realistic alternative is there?

Someone would pick it up.

For the money Sky are paying it's just not worth the amount of hassle having games constantly moved around, obviously this affects us and Leeds more than most teams in the league.

The red button also ruins Championship football attendances, the atmosphere at games has been a lot worse than normal on Tuesday/Wednesday nights.

I would honestly prefer for the Championship not to be on TV at all, it would see Villa Park full each week for a change instead of just the occasional game against a big team or when we've won a couple.

[Demitri_C]

4 minutes ago, wilko154 said:

Someone would pick it up.

For the money Sky are paying it's just not worth the amount of hassle having games constantly moved around, obviously this affects us and Leeds more than most teams in the league.

The red button also ruins Championship football attendances, the atmosphere at games has been a lot worse than normal on Tuesday/Wednesday nights.

I would honestly prefer for the Championship not to be on TV at all, it would see Villa Park full each week for a change instead of just the occasional game against a big team or when we've won a couple.

Not everyone lives in Birmingham mate. I live in London how would I get to a midweek game? Some live even further than me.

I think the red button is no different to thise getting a stream off fb via avtv 

[hooter]

7 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Not everyone lives in Birmingham mate. I live in London how would I get to a midweek game? Some live even further than me.

I think the red button is no different to thise getting a stream off fb via avtv 

The difference being the larger clubs feel confident they'd make far more if they charged supporters to watch the stream via avtv, lutv etc, than they get paid for the "red button" component of the deal by sky

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Benin sports, international broadcasters or how about itv or BBC? Why should we be bullied by this pathetic deal from the efl? They ignored us and big clubs like leeds.Even the villa vs blose derby is bigger than the lame derbies like Southampton vs bournmouth or fulham vs Chelsea.

If the club's stick together then the efl cant ignore us all.

 

"While the country has experienced economic growth over the past few years and is one of Africa's largest cotton producers, it ranks among the world's poorest countries. To the north, there have been sporadic clashes along Benin's border with Burkina Faso."

Our next sponsorship deal with Dirt Boots Plc:

 

I'm assuming you mean BEIN Sports, I never pass up the opportunity for a shite joke though.

Edited November 21, 2018 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[Dave-R]

28 minutes ago, wilko154 said:

Someone would pick it up.

For the money Sky are paying it's just not worth the amount of hassle having games constantly moved around, obviously this affects us and Leeds more than most teams in the league.

The red button also ruins Championship football attendances, the atmosphere at games has been a lot worse than normal on Tuesday/Wednesday nights.

I would honestly prefer for the Championship not to be on TV at all, it would see Villa Park full each week for a change instead of just the occasional game against a big team or when we've won a couple.

What if the red button was only available to people outside of the region. I know fans come in from out of the city also but the red button should be gone for the fans who are travelling to games at home at least..

[Dave-R]

27 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Not everyone lives in Birmingham mate. I live in London how would I get to a midweek game? Some live even further than me.

I think the red button is no different to thise getting a stream off fb via avtv 

I live yorkshire now so only game I can get to is the Yorkshire games, being a single dad n all it's hard for me to travel to the Midlands now..

I am all for the red button vanishing for clubs that are at home and vanishing from a region, but not if you in a different part of the country..

[Dave-R]

1 hour ago, Stevo985 said:

The feedback from the FCG was that we're not about to walk away from a football league that we founded.

So if there was a breakaway (which I don't think there ever would be fwiw) I doubt we'd be part of it.

I don't see why we wouldn't be apart of it, we may of founded the football league but if things are not suiting us and other clubs anymore. I don't see why our club wouldn't put the name in front of this situation and to say it's Aston Villa the founders would highlight even more how big of an issue this actually is. It certainly needs sorting out and as I've said I don't think the EFL will budge on it which only leaves one choice to leave.

The EFL are treating all the other leagues like crap compared to the premier, they need to be held responsible for it.

[Stevo985]

22 minutes ago, Dave-R said:

I don't see why we wouldn't be apart of it, we may of founded the football league but if things are not suiting us and other clubs anymore. I don't see why our club wouldn't put the name in front of this situation and to say it's Aston Villa the founders would highlight even more how big of an issue this actually is. It certainly needs sorting out and as I've said I don't think the EFL will budge on it which only leaves one choice to leave.

The EFL are treating all the other leagues like crap compared to the premier, they need to be held responsible for it.

By all accounts we're front and centre of the teams leading the "protest" against the deal.

But the club have said, according to OBE, that we won't be part of a breakaway.

 

 

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There were a couple of points made that he [Purslow] wanted to be clear on and for us to pass on:

• Stadium renaming - it isn't happening. It's not been discussed, it's not being discussed, it's not up for discussion, the story hasn't come from the club.
• Breakaway League - you may have seen the story that said fourteen Championship clubs were considering breaking away from the league - it's also bunkum - like everyone in football, we're looking for the best TV deal for us and for the league that we can get, but breaking up a league we founded? Not happening.

 

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Edited November 21, 2018 by Stevo985

[sne]

So this new league would be associated with the PL and the top teams would get promoted to the PL, or would it just be existing on it's own?

Would the FA sanction this?

Sure they have sounded this out if they are thinking about it but I think they might have overestimated the interest in watching even the likes of us, Middlesbrough, Leeds and the Sheffield teams, at least abroad.

No one under 35 cares about these teams.

I'm all for creating a new league and re-branding it and most of all trimming out 4-6 teams to make the season shorter.

I much prefer 2nd Bundesliga to the Championship in every aspect but I hardly watch it at all this season, just like I would not watch a single second except maybe the Play Off final of championship football if Villa wasn't slogging around here.

Same with my mates who support Villa, Leeds or any other club. We all think it's a chore watching the Championship.

If a new look league can bring in a better domestic TV deal and spruce it up a bit, sure go for it. Won't create any real interest from abroad thou as there is too much other to choose from.

 

[Nigel]

Wonder what would happen if we just refused to allow the sky cameras in?

We would obviously be taken to court but this could work against them in the future, and would be embarrassing in the short term.