villan-scott Posted August 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: It's technically a goatee. I’m not man enough to grow a goatee I’m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 hours ago, villan-scott said: It’s that subtle I can’t even see it... but suddenly have the urge to buy some granola, Coca Cola and milkshake and have no idea why? Also, maybe a moustache. But I am undecided. Granola packaging doesn't even have a football on it. GRANOLA OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Both staggering and not really surprising at all. Quote Premier League: 10 of 20 clubs could have made profits in 2016-17 without fans at games Just two of the Premier League's 20 top-flight clubs recorded a loss in 2017, compared to 18 of the 24 in the Championship Half of Premier League clubs could have played in empty stadiums and still made a pre-tax profit in the first season of the current broadcast deal, BBC research has found. In 2016-17, during which clubs benefited from a record £8.3bn in global TV revenue, matchday income contributed less than 20p in every £1 earned by 18 top-flight outfits. The number of clubs that would have recorded pre-tax profits even if matchday income was taken away rose from two in 2015-16 to 10 in 2016-17. Dr Rob Wilson, a sport finance specialist at Sheffield Hallam University, said the previous £3.018bn broadcast deal struck in 2012 signalled a permanent change to top-flight football as a business in England. "That is when the focus really went toward generating TV money rather than matchday ticket receipts," he told BBC Sport. "The revenue structures of those clubs are fairly well there to stay now. "When you get a £120m payout from the Premier League for kicking a ball around, you can play in an empty stadium if you need to. "From a revenue generation perspective, clubs do not rely anymore on matchday ticket income."" more on link https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44850888 Shows why we desperately need to get back to the PL for if nothing else financial reasons. Also shows how messed up modern and especially English football is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PieFacE Posted August 14, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2018 Makes you wonder why Premier League clubs don't just charge £10 a ticket. They'd sell out every game and because of it, it would be a better spectacle abroad for people watching on TV, which is where the money comes from. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 14, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 minute ago, PieFacE said: Makes you wonder why Premier League clubs don't just charge £10 a ticket. They'd sell out every game and because of it, it would be a better spectacle abroad for people watching on TV, which is where the money comes from. I was thinking the same thing. If we're getting to the stage where gate receipts aren't really a significant source of income for clubs, relatively speaking, then why aren't prices getting cheaper? I suppose I know the answer, every little helps. If a club can make £10 million instead of £5 million then they will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) I've no idea what the average fan spends on match days on food, drinks or on trinkets and baubles with the club logo on it. No doubt every club has numbers on it, I've just not seen them. Obviously different for every club, but in some cases surely an extra 1000, 2000, or even 5000 spending money at the stadium would offset a large part of any dropped prices for tickets? Edited August 14, 2018 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 i've just had a brain fart after reading some stuff on the commonwealth games if we right now decide to tear down the north stand and redevelop villa park my understanding is that the expenditure would have to be declared under FFP which we really cant afford to do what if we made improvements to the ground out of our owners own pockets so that the stadium was ready to host rugby matches for 2022? what if our owners invested their own money in to Birmingham councils coffers to aid the games and the council in return invested that money in to villa park? could be an opportunity to do something and get away with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSteveUK Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Wouldn’t have thought that was right - imagine the FFP hole Spurs would be in now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I was thinking the same thing. If we're getting to the stage where gate receipts aren't really a significant source of income for clubs, relatively speaking, then why aren't prices getting cheaper? I suppose I know the answer, every little helps. If a club can make £10 million instead of £5 million then they will. I’m sure that the rule for televised American Football games is/or were that they wouldn’t show a game that wasn’t sold out, as they view the fans as a part of the entertainment. I think if we adopted this, or perhaps a version of it, then we’d see ticket prices fall. Obviously SHA would never be televised again. On a side note, that huge club from the Black Country, in their first game in PL for a few years and against a well supported Everton, got a lower attendance than a proper big club in the Championship who were playing not so well supported Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, SirSteveUK said: Wouldn’t have thought that was right - imagine the FFP hole Spurs would be in now Maybe that's why they designed it to look like a toilet... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: if we right now decide to tear down the north stand and redevelop villa park my understanding is that the expenditure would have to be declared under FFP which we really cant afford to do Spending on stadiums does NOT count towards FFP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 22, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2018 Really hope these guys know what they are doing in regards to ffp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Way to bring us down Nigel just by bumping this thread! You do know if we ignore it, it will go away? I shan't enjoy my bacon & egg bloomer now, thanks a bunch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 22, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted August 22, 2018 I like to call it FF-Pfft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Take that FFP! Still going all out to have the most bloated squad and silliest wage budget in the Championship I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Quote Loans, wages and points deductions - FFP expert's take on Aston Villa under Sawiris and Edens Alex Dicken speaks to Kieran Maguire about the FFP situation at AVFC A football finance expert is confident Aston Villa won’t incur a points deduction in relation to the EFL’s Financial Fair Play rules. FFP remains an issue for Villa with manager Steve Bruce going on record a number of times in the last 12 months in a bid to appease supporters’ concerns. Several Championship sides are being heavily scrutinised, with Villa's rivals Birmingham City working under severest sanctions. “I think everybody who has looked at the FFP thinks they’re pushing it to the limit,” Kieran Maguire, who lectures in football finance at the University of Liverpool, replied when questioned about Villa's situation. “They’ve also offloaded some high earners. I’m surprised they’ve not sold one or two more players but I’m sure they’ve done their sums.” Bruce added seven players to his squad following the departures of big earners John Terry, Gabby Agbonlahor and a host of loan players including West Ham’s Robert Snodgrass. Villa shelled out on goalkeeper Orjan Nyland and Scotland international John McGinn, while Axel Tuanzebe, Andre Moreira, Anwar El Ghazi, Yannick Bolasie and Tammy Abraham signed up on loan. The club has banked fees for Pierluigi Gollini and Carles Gil, as well a sum of just under £4million following former winger Adama Traore’s £18million transfer to Wolves. Villa managed to offload the likes of Jed Steer, Tommy Elphick, Gary Gardner and Aaron Tshibola in loan deals. And wealthy owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens have injected significant funds into the club since completing their majority takeover in July. Companies House details another £11million has been put into the club recently by NSWE to boost its financial situation. “I think it’s covering the funding,” Maguire said of the latest developments on Companies House. “There will be payments for the loan signings and the wages because Villa have got a big reduction in the parachute payments this year.” Unlike many of their rivals suffering similar problems with FFP, Villa have a very valuable asset in Jack Grealish who could fetch a big transfer fee if needs be. Grealish, however, is set to be offered a new contract by the club after interest from Tottenham Hotspur was rebuffed in the summer window. The issue Villa’s new owners, along with CEO Christian Purslow, have to address is whether they’re willing to chance a possible fine. QPR have just agreed a £42million settlement with the EFL after breaching FFP rules, while Bournemouth have paid two fines totalling more than £12million after successfully gambling on promotion to the Premier League. Despite points deductions being feared by supporters, Maguire maintains that hefty fines remain the EFL’s most likely course of action for clubs which break its FFP regulations. He added: “There’s various things you can do with FFP and one of them is to say, ‘Sod it, we’ll pay the fine’. “The Football League are unhappy about clubs that are going to do that. They have in theory unlimited power to punish clubs but points deductions are very unlikely.” https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-ffp-sawiris-edens-15115925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 22/08/2018 at 17:04, sne said: Take that FFP! Still going all out to have the most bloated squad and silliest wage budget in the Championship I see. Most unbalanced squad more like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: Most unbalanced squad more like. That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 14/08/2018 at 09:52, PieFacE said: Makes you wonder why Premier League clubs don't just charge £10 a ticket. They'd sell out every game and because of it, it would be a better spectacle abroad for people watching on TV, which is where the money comes from. Because fans continue to the pay the prices. Only way they’d ever drop the prices would be if there were empty stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 14/08/2018 at 09:46, sne said: Both staggering and not really surprising at all. more on link https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44850888 Shows why we desperately need to get back to the PL for if nothing else financial reasons. Also shows how messed up modern and especially English football is. Why do you think this? The league has massive appeal to people all over the world so broadcasters of nations are happy to pay the price for people to watch it. Yes the sums of have become obscene but that’s only because the demand is so high. Not sure what’s messed up about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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