brommy Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: Which brings us to the no proof of their not being an afterlife. Shouldn't we be trying to prove their isn't one rather than trying to prove there is one? After all for many centuries and civilisations before us wasn't it the norm to accept there is an afterlife. Do you really think we need to prove that things don't exist instead of proving that they do exist?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, brommy said: Do you really think we need to prove that things don't exist instead of proving that they do exist?! It's unorthodox in this day and age, but in days gone by not so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: It's unorthodox in this day and age, but in days gone by not so. Yes, I've read that we used to duck women underwater to see if they were a witch. If they didn't drown they were obviously a witch so needed to be burnt at the steak. Edited June 20, 2017 by brommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Does an animal have a soul? Why should a human and not an animal have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I think the entity of Jesus Christ could possibly have some higher power in certain circles and situations. Some believe Jesus was a fictional character based on the fantasy that is the bible. I also think the occult good and evil teachings also can open up certain things to people. If I possibly believe in the power of Jesus Christ then surely I'm admitting to also believing in the devil or some kind of form of evil, which I definitely do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Which brings us to the no proof of their not being an afterlife. Shouldn't we be trying to prove their isn't one rather than trying to prove there is one? After all for many centuries and civilisations before us wasn't it the norm to accept there is an afterlife. That's not how it works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, PaulC said: Does an animal have a soul? Why should a human and not an animal have one. Was we given an higher stage in life? I would say we was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, Michelsen said: That's not how it works. But you see where I'm coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, brommy said: Yes, I've read that we used to duck women underwater to see if they were a witch. If they didn't drown they were obviously a witch so needed to be burnt at the steak. I have heard it still goes on in parts of rugeley, but nowt to do with me like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Which brings us to the no proof of their not being an afterlife. Shouldn't we be trying to prove their isn't one rather than trying to prove there is one? After all for many centuries and civilisations before us wasn't it the norm to accept there is an afterlife. Not how science, logic, or common sense works. There are an infinite number of crazy theories, people make them up every day. The onus is not on science to 'disprove' each one is false, but on the proponents to prove that it is true. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, brommy said: Do you really think we need to prove that things don't exist instead of proving that they do exist?! Just now, Michelsen said: That's not how it works. These are the examples of the limited thinking I said about. It's too easy to say that the question is about an afterlife in your own way of thinking and then saying you can't prove it so don't have to prove it. None of our understanding gives any insight whatsoever into the mechanisms of the universe of how consciousness is assigned or attributed. Why didn't you come into being in a different body in a different time? There's no understanding of that at all and to be so sure of knowing the answer is a bit ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, mjmooney said: Not how science, logic, or common sense works. There are an infinite number of crazy theories, people make them up every day. The onus is not on science to 'disprove' each one is false, but on the proponents to prove that it is true. Science today plays a very big part in dismissing or proving things and rightly so. There are scientist who actively admit there could possibly be an afterlife. Common sense which we are all meant to use from time to time is a funny one. If I see something for example a ghost then I should use my common sense to dismiss it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted June 20, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2017 When somebody shows me some credible, repeatable, study (not anecdotes) supporting the likelihood of an afterlife, then I will consider it. Until then, I have zero reason to treat it seriously. All the evidence shows that consciousness is a function of the brain. When the brain dies, that's yer lot. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Was we given an higher stage in life? I would say we was. Why do you think of the millions of species on the planet we inhabit, Homo sapiens were given a 'higher stage in life' and how does the 'higher stage' manifest itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Science today plays a very big part in dismissing or proving things and rightly so. There are scientist who actively admit there could possibly be an afterlife. Common sense which we are all meant to use from time to time is a funny one. If I see something for example a ghost then I should use my common sense to dismiss it? Ruge, I have a theory that you actually don't believe in the afterlife or any religion, but actually just fancied a bit of company/banter this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, brommy said: Why do you think of the millions of species on the planet we inhabit, Homo sapiens were given a 'higher stage in life' and how does the 'higher stage' manifest itself? How many elephants do you see trying to get to mars or the moon? How many snakes know what the human species know about the universe. We either luckily took on that higher stage purely by luck or we were solely for that higher stage. I'm not sure about the last part of your question but what I will say is that there are probably more intelligent life out there on other parts of the universe we don't know about and probably will never know about. I would go as far to say that we are possibly being monitored by things that are far more advanced than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: But you see where I'm coming from. No. You can't empirically prove there is no life after death, and you can't empirically prove that there is no god. It's a practical, philosophical and logical impossibility. How can you prove the nonexistence of anything? Logically, life after death must be a positive quantity, and therefore theoretically possible to prove. Ergo, it's up to those who believe in life after death to provide evidence for their position. The other way around is impossible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, brommy said: Ruge, I have a theory that you actually don't believe in the afterlife or any religion, but actually just fancied a bit of company/banter this evening. You're wrong. I honestly believe in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: You're wrong. I honestly believe in it. You can't prove that I'm wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, brommy said: You can't prove that I'm wrong! And we reach full circle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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