Rugeley Villa Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The Muslims being interviewed on sky news are feeling hard done by. Slow response from police, media outlets not treating crimes the same etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I read this morning that an elderly gentleman has fallen over, people were helping him, and then the van struck. They would have had more or less no chance to get out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 19, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, hogso said: I read this morning that an elderly gentleman has fallen over, people were helping him, and then the van struck. They would have had more or less no chance to get out of the way. Almost. An elderly man collapsed and was I believe receiving or about to receive CPR when the attack happened, he is the man that has sadly died. It remains to be seen if his death was natural causes or the actions of the coward in the van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 London fire and met police are overstretched beyond anything these days. Those cuts to our services are really starting to affect too many people to validate the policy. There's not enough police to go around when these incidents happen almost weekly. I wouldn't say that the response was any slower judging by the reports, I just think our services are stretched to the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, magnkarl said: London fire and met police are overstretched beyond anything these days. Those cuts to our services are really starting to affect too many people to validate the policy. There's not enough police to go around when these incidents happen almost weekly. I wouldn't say that the response was any slower judging by the reports, I just think our services are stretched to the limit. It was apparently reported as a collision hence the slower response time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Slower response time has to do with location too. Near Westminster there are probably armed units waiting to go. If a terrorist attack happened near me, I'd imagine the nearest armed response team being an hour to an hour and a half away. At best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Finsbury Park is a very mixed area, Africans, Muslims, white people. Those three distinctively different groups. It's perfectly possible to have a white, African Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Those three distinctively different groups. It's perfectly possible to have a white, African Muslim. Of course, wasn't really the point I was trying to highlight though. Was referring to the area as a whole its very mixed unlike other parts of London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted June 19, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2017 The whole mindset of revenge, eye for an eye, blood feud has been a constant throughout human history. It seems to be hardwired into our psyches, and no matter how much we recognise that it is totally counterproductive, we still do it. I understand the desire for revenge. What I have never understood, however, is the tendency to take out that revenge on the wrong targets. If somebody harmed my family, I would undoubtedly have an urge to harm the perpetrator. I couldn't ever imagine having any desire to harm their family. If the US or British army is occupying your country, by all means fight them. Don't just go and blow up some harmless bystanders in their country. If an ISIS jihadist comes at you with a machete, feel free to blow his head off, or go and fight ISIS - don't go and slaughter some entirely unconnected random Muslim citizens. Apart from being tragic, it's all so **** ing STUPID. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted June 19, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2017 For som reason there appears to be some rubbish being peddled about the response of the emergency services to this attack. Which I think is either irresponsible or perhaps even intentionally divisive of those spreading it. The truth is Police were around the corner and there almost 'instantly', additional units arrive with 10 mins. Yet some are 'reporting' and spreading the idea it was 30 or even 45 mins before they arrived which is very dangerous. The ambulance service were already on route for the chap that was unwell and then responded to the subsequent incident. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post omariqy Posted June 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: For som reason there appears to be some rubbish being peddled about the response of the emergency services to this attack. Which I think is either irresponsible or perhaps even intentionally divisive of those spreading it. The truth is Police were around the corner and there almost 'instantly', additional units arrive with 10 mins. Yet some are 'reporting' and spreading the idea it was 30 or even 45 mins before they arrived which is very dangerous. The ambulance service were already on route for the chap that was unwell and then responded to the subsequent incident. Agree. I think what we have seen these last few months is how lucky we are to have such amazing emergency services. Especially considering the level of investment in to them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: For som reason there appears to be some rubbish being peddled about the response of the emergency services to this attack. Which I think is either irresponsible or perhaps even intentionally divisive of those spreading it. The truth is Police were around the corner and there almost 'instantly', additional units arrive with 10 mins. Yet some are 'reporting' and spreading the idea it was 30 or even 45 mins before they arrived which is very dangerous. The ambulance service were already on route for the chap that was unwell and then responded to the subsequent incident. A Muslim being interviewed said it was an hour before police turned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: A Muslim being interviewed said it was an hour before police turned up. Guy on the radio earlier said 20 minutes. Sounds like people are peddling their own agenda's here. Can't believe 1 hour at all with the way things are in London at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, Genie said: Guy on the radio earlier said 20 minutes. Sounds like people are peddling their own agenda's here. Can't believe 1 hour at all with the way things are in London at the moment. Well he was peddling his own agenda by the sound of it. I don't think I've ever known this country so divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 This guy has done ISIS' work for them, this is precisely what they want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: Well he was peddling his own agenda by the sound of it. I don't think I've ever known this country so divided. Yet all communities, races, religions, colours pulling together for the tower block fire. I've never known this country so united (you see what I did there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Genie said: Yet all communities, races, religions, colours pulling together for the tower block fire. I've never known this country so united (you see what I did there). True, united are everywhere in this country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Police were on the scene in 4 minutes according to the radio. I have no idea what people are trying to achieve by saying it was 45 minutes? Riots? This weather combined with events of late surely seem to indicate it. It's sad that our politicians have turned people and classes against each other as of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 19, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: A Muslim being interviewed said it was an hour before police turned up. I would imagine the correct time is easily verifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Genie said: Guy on the radio earlier said 20 minutes. Sounds like people are peddling their own agenda's here. Can't believe 1 hour at all with the way things are in London at the moment. Finsbury Park is in zone 2, so you wouldn't expect the sort of response time that you'd have with a major incident in central London. But at the end of the day it's highly unlikely the police would take an hour to get to an incident like this. I'm sure the MET will confirm the response time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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