Paddywhack Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 It's just devastating, my heart goes out to all the victims families and everybody involved. There's always light in the darkness when something like this happens - taxis giving free rides, hotels taking kids in. There are wonderful people out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: Its impossible to put into words just how unspeakably evil this sort of action is, or how cowardly. To be able to justify this to yourself, it's really quite terrifying. Pales in comparison with how many innocent Muslim children the various western governments (of which we have been very prominent) have killed with scant regard or justification over the past X years. Yes, it's evil. But so have been the actions of our governments, which have caused the death of tens of thousands of innocent Muslim children. That's partial 'justification'. They see it as a war, and this is retribution. It's an unspeakably vile, horrific act, but the perpetrator is not 'cowardly' in the way that say a Bush or Blair kill millions but don't get their hands dirty. This person sacrificed themself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegis Posted May 23, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2017 Awful news. Just awful. So much hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: There isn't really any sort of foundation for this sort of thing and it's not really helpful in this topic Dem. I haven't actually said it was I said IF key word But lets wait and see. Its hard not to get emotional seeing the news. KIDS FFS. This is just pure evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I suspect of if it is someone who snuck in as a immigrant from Syria we won't hear about it as close to an election could be ruin Theresa May The cynic in me briefly thought a terrorist attack is good opportunity to prove she is strong and stable, that is too horrific too entertain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tegis said: Awful news. Just awful. So much hate. This is it. So much hate around over what? This world is just becoming hatred and hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted May 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: I haven't actually said it was I said IF key word But lets wait and see. Its hard not to get emotional seeing the news. KIDS FFS. This is just pure evil I know but there is currently absolutely no reason for that sort of speculation either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, TrentVilla said: I know but there is currently absolutely no reason for that sort of speculation either. ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Could Be Rotterdam Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 A quick look on facebook and there are countless posts being shared of kids that are missing. Its heartbreaking to think that there are parents somewhere still not knowing if their kids are coming home or not. Its just unimaginable what they are going through right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted May 23, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jon said: Pales in comparison with how many innocent Muslim children the various western governments (of which we have been very prominent) have killed with scant regard or justification over the past X years. Yes, it's evil. But so have been the actions of our governments, which have caused the death of tens of thousands of innocent Muslim children. That's partial 'justification'. They see it as a war, and this is retribution. It's an unspeakably vile, horrific act, but the perpetrator is not 'cowardly' in the way that say a Bush or Blair kill millions but don't get their hands dirty. This person sacrificed themself. I don't see he deaths of innocent kids or adults as insignificant irrespective of where they occur, neither do I place more or less value on their lives. I know you don't either but I say this because frankly the events in manchester dont "pale in comparison" to anything. The deaths of innocent people anywhere is tragic, even more so when they are children. Your are right, people do see it as a war. But in what war do you intentionally target innocent kids? It's without question that Western governments have killed innocent Muslims including children but I still struggle to see how that enables anyone to justify intentionally blowing up kids. Its cowardice. It was cowardly when the IRA attacked civilians, despite their quite legitimate grievances at our actions and it's cowardice now on the part of those responsible for the attack in Manchester and those that went before it. On your last paragraph, honestly I think it's best I don't comment on that. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, This Could Be Rotterdam said: A quick look on facebook and there are countless posts being shared of kids that are missing. Its heartbreaking to think that there are parents somewhere still not knowing if their kids are coming home or not. Its just unimaginable what they are going through right now. AWFUL, that is heartbreaking. I cant imagine the pain and panic they are going through I heard the emergency services were excellent in taking control and we sometimes we take for granted how hard their jobs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nicho said: The cynic in me briefly thought a terrorist attack is good opportunity to prove she is strong and stable, that is too horrific too entertain. Yep. They will be thinking secretly, this will be good news for the Maybot. Support for Jez was surging, and Maybot can now play the strong and stable card, and 'pull up the drawbridge' on immigration. This could be damaging for Jez's campaign, as he is all of the free movement of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: On your last paragraph, honestly I think it's best I don't comment on that. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted May 23, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jon said: Pales in comparison with how many innocent Muslim children the various western governments (of which we have been very prominent) have killed with scant regard or justification over the past X years. Yes, it's evil. But so have been the actions of our governments, which have caused the death of tens of thousands of innocent Muslim children. That's partial 'justification'. They see it as a war, and this is retribution. It's an unspeakably vile, horrific act, but the perpetrator is not 'cowardly' in the way that say a Bush or Blair kill millions but don't get their hands dirty. This person sacrificed themself. I was considering posting something like this, but decided it would bring down the inevitable shower of outrage. This is appalling, but the idea that 'we are the good guys' and 'they' are the monsters is part of the problem. Bear in mind that 'they' see it the other way round. This mindset on both sides has us all locked into an apparently unbreakable cycle of horror. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Its cowardice. Not in their eyes. Suicide bombing is the ultimate sacrifice for their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 15 minutes ago, Jon said: It's an unspeakably vile, horrific act, but the perpetrator is not 'cowardly' in the way that say a Bush or Blair kill millions but don't get their hands dirty. This person sacrificed themself. I would strongly disagree with that Jon, the person responsible is a absolute cowardly scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted May 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Jon said: Not in their eyes. Suicide bombing is the ultimate sacrifice for their cause. Well if you want to take that stance then the actions of Blair and co aren't cowardice through their eyes but you don't seem to be applying the same logic there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I know but there is currently absolutely no reason for that sort of speculation either. But you've just done it yourself-- Quote we will see more attacks like this here and across Europe and the West as ISIS lose their territory. Let's face it, it's almost certainly them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted May 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, maqroll said: But you've just done it yourself-- Not the same thing. Yes I've said the attack is likely to be ISIS linked/inspired. That isn't by any means the same thing as talking about people sneaking in from Syria and referencing Party politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, Jon said: Pales in comparison with how many innocent Muslim children the various western governments (of which we have been very prominent) have killed with scant regard or justification over the past X years. Yes, it's evil. But so have been the actions of our governments, which have caused the death of tens of thousands of innocent Muslim children. That's partial 'justification'. They see it as a war, and this is retribution. It's an unspeakably vile, horrific act, but the perpetrator is not 'cowardly' in the way that say a Bush or Blair kill millions but don't get their hands dirty. This person sacrificed themself. Retribution? Quote While discussing the first reason, ISIS says, “just as your disbelief is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief is the primary reason we fight you, as we have been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming Muslims, or by... living in humiliation under the rule of the Muslims.” ISIS Is Killing Us Because We Are Not Muslim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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