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If I'm not mistaken, there's a very interesting race brewing in the league co-efficients at the moment.

The Premier League in 3rd place is currently beating the Serie A by 75.391 points to 72.832.

That's a cumulative co-efficient over this season and the previous 4 (this season 5 is still going on)

But ...

For next season's tally they will both lose their 2012/13 score (13/14, 14/15, 15/16, 16/17, 17/18).
That means England loses a 16.428 and Italy only loses a 14.416.

All of a sudden the new totals would read 58.963 versus 58.416 with the new season to add on.

So if Italy can out-perform the Premier League in Europe next season by over half a point, then the following season they would get the 4th Champions League slot and England drops to 3.

Chortle.

It's also worth remembering that both leagues still have someone in Europe this season, so their current 2016/17 scores of 14.357 for England and 13.750 for Italy could still change.

For comparison, Spain are top with 104.141 and Germany are second on 79.498.

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Good!

Would be fantastic if this happens. 

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Is this still the case @BOF ?

Having read this thread, I did a quick search and I'm seeing a few articles suggesting the top four leagues will get four teams each, due to a change in the co-efficient rule. So the English, Spanish, German and Italian leagues will be riding the gravy train for a while yet.

The way I'm reading it, it looks like Ligue 1 would have to overtake the Premier League, which I can't imagine is going to happen anytime soon.

I dearly hope you're right and I'm wrong though.

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9 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said:

Is this still the case @BOF ?

Having read this thread, I did a quick search and I'm seeing a few articles suggesting the top four leagues will get four teams each, due to a change in the co-efficient rule. So the English, Spanish, German and Italian leagues will be riding the gravy train for a while yet.

The way I'm reading it, it looks like Ligue 1 would have to overtake the Premier League, which I can't imagine is going to happen anytime soon.

I dearly hope you're right and I'm wrong though.

If they're moving the goalposts then I may be wrong. I'm working off the current allocation where Italy has 3 and England is the lowest ranked with 4. Wouldn't surprise me if they're protecting the establishment by sorting it out before it becomes an issue. 

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No way will UEFA risk an English team dropping out seeing as we pay the £1bn or whatever daft it is tv rights and all the guff that comes with it, saved by a rule change no doubt

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38 minutes ago, BOF said:

If they're moving the goalposts then I may be wrong. I'm working off the current allocation where Italy has 3 and England is the lowest ranked with 4. Wouldn't surprise me if they're protecting the establishment by sorting it out before it becomes an issue. 

From the BBC last year...

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Europe's top four domestic leagues are to be guaranteed four places each in the group stages of the Champions League from the 2018-19 season.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37194666

I have no memory of this, but then I suppose champions league qualification hasn't been at the forefront of my mind lately.

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Could time quite well with the 2 Milan clubs having rich Chinese owners then

wonder when they'll change the name of the competition to the U€FA boys club 

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Some changes coming up for next season and beyond.

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KEY CHANGES

  • Twenty-six teams now gain direct entry to the UEFA Champions League group stage – including the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League winners – with six qualifying places available
  • Every team eliminated in UEFA Champions League qualifying will get a second chance in the UEFA Europa League
  • Seventeen teams now gain direct entry to the UEFA Europa League group stage, with ten teams directly transferring from the UEFA Champions League play-offs and third qualifying round plus 21 qualifying places in two different paths (UEFA Europa League champions and league paths)
  • There will be a preliminary round in qualifying for the UEFA Champions League (played as a knockout mini-tournament) and UEFA Europa League (played as two-legged ties)
  • There is no change to the formats from the group stage onwards but there will be staggered kick-offs – 18.55CET and 21.00CET – in the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Europa League
  • Useful links: 2018/19 access list, 2016/17 UEFA association coefficient rankings

UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

Group stage

For 2018/19 they will be ...
UEFA Champions League holders (1)
UEFA Europa League holders (1)
Top four from associations ranked 1st to 4th: Spain, Germany, England, Italy (16)
Top two from associations ranked 5th and 6th: France, Russia (4)
Champions of associations ranked 7th to 10th: Portugal, Ukraine, Belgium, Turkey (4)

  • If the UEFA Champions League holders have qualified for the group stage via their domestic championship, the vacancy will be filled by the champions of the association ranked 11th (Czech Republic), who otherwise compete in the champions path
  • If the UEFA Europa League holders have qualified for the group stage via their domestic championship, the vacancy will be filled by the third-placed club from the association ranked fifth (France), who otherwise compete in the league path
  • An association may have a maximum of five teams in the group stage

Qualifying

Champions route (four group places)

This route consists of the champions of the associations ranked 11th and below, and now includes a preliminary round as well as three qualifying rounds and a play-off round:

  • Preliminary round (played as knockout mini-tournament): four teams enter
  • First qualifying round: 33 teams enter plus winner of preliminary round
  • Second qualifying round: three teams enter plus 17 first qualifying round winners
  • Third qualifying round: two teams enter plus ten second qualifying round winners
  • Play-offs: two teams enter plus six third qualifying round winners

All teams eliminated in the champions path between the preliminary round and the third qualifying round will be given a second chance to compete at European level by entering a new dedicated champions path of UEFA Europa League qualifying with staggered access according to round of elimination from the UEFA Champions League. Teams eliminated in champions path play-offs enter the UEFA Europa League group stage directly.

League route (two group places)

This route consists of the third-placed teams of the associations ranked fifth and sixth, and the runners-up of the associations ranked seventh to 15th. There are three rounds in all:

  • Second qualifying round: six teams enter
  • Third qualifying round: five teams enter plus three second qualifying round winners
  • Play-offs: four third qualifying round winners

All teams eliminated in the second qualifying round of the league path will be given a second chance to compete at European level by entering the third qualifying round of the UEFA Europa League league path. Teams eliminated in the league path third qualifying round and play-offs enter the UEFA Europa League group stage directly.

UEFA EUROPA LEAGUE

Group stage

For 2018/19 they will be ...
Two teams from associations ranked 1st to 5th: Spain, Germany, England, Italy, France (10)
One team from associations ranked 6th to 12th: Russia, Portugal, Ukraine, Belgium, Turkey, Czech Republic, Switzerland (7)

  • Ten teams also enter the group stage direct from the UEFA Champions League: six teams eliminated in the league path (third qualifying round and play-offs) and four teams eliminated in the champions path play-offs.

Qualifying

Champions route (eight group places)

This route consists of teams eliminated in the UEFA Champions League champions path between the preliminary round and the third qualifying round. There are three teams in all:

  • Second qualifying round: 20 teams eliminated in UEFA Champions League preliminary round and first qualifying round
  • Third qualifying round: ten teams eliminated in UEFA Champions League second qualifying round plus ten winners from UEFA Europa League champions path second qualifying round
  • Play-offs: six teams eliminated in UEFA Champions League third  qualifying round plus ten winners from UEFA Europa League champions path third qualifying round

League route (13 group places)

This route consists of the remaining UEFA Europa League entrants from all 55 associations plus teams eliminated from the UEFA Champions League league path second qualifying round

  • Preliminary round: 16 teams enter
  • First qualifying round: 86 teams enter plus eight preliminary round winners
  • Second qualifying round: 27 teams enter plus 47 first qualifying round winners
  • Third qualifying round: 15 teams enter (including the three teams eliminated from the UEFA Champions League league path second qualifying round) plus 37 second qualifying round winners
  • Play-offs: 26 third qualifying round winners

 

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2499801.html#/champions+league+europa+changes+next+season

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I never quite understood why if you get eliminated from champions league you get a second chance in the europa? its actually pathetic. give more league placings for countries than have champions league rejects coming in 

bring back uefa cup where it was straight knock outs and you could draw whoever without this seeding rubbish 

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2 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said:

Yep and bring back the cup winners cup too.

Now you are talking, what a great cup that was 

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10 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said:

Yep and bring back the cup winners cup too.

If they brought it back it would be the cup semi-finalists cup as most cup winners are already qualified for the Champions League.

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It might be that I’m looking through rose tinted specs here, but I remember all three European tournaments being highly regarded and co existing perfectly fine. Obviously the European Cup/Champions League was the big one, but the other two were highly thought of too.

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That's because winning football matches and trophies was what created the esteem rather than revenue 

They can chop and change the format of both competitions as much as they like but if the end result is still the CL winners get £100m and the EL winner has to rely on flying to eastern Europe using wizz air in order to break even then it's a waste of time, and that's before you get to the disparity the CL creates in the various l3ague competitions 

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2 hours ago, villa4europe said:

That's because winning football matches and trophies was what created the esteem rather than revenue 

They can chop and change the format of both competitions as much as they like but if the end result is still the CL winners get £100m and the EL winner has to rely on flying to eastern Europe using wizz air in order to break even then it's a waste of time, and that's before you get to the disparity the CL creates in the various l3ague competitions 

From memory the CWC had lost some of it's luster towards the end and teams from the bigger countries were played 2nd string players. I think in part because the big teams that were involved were concentrating on the league to get into the newly formed CL (more money on offer.) Also a knock out competition doesn't offer UEFA the chance to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I agree with you now though that a straight ahead European knock out cup would be fantastic. All these leagues with endless games against unheard of Eastern European teams is an absolute snoozefest. FIFA & UEFA are run by cockwombles.

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CWC was fun as usually had random teams in it and not the regular top teams

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8 minutes ago, Zatman said:

CWC was fun as usually had random teams in it and not the regular top teams

Last three winners of CWC were Barca 97, Chelsea 98 and Lazio 99.

In the 90s yes CL was the main tournament but it wasn't a disaster if you weren't in it and you had a good spread of teams across the three competitions.

Uefa cup 98 when we made the quarters we beat Bilbao in second round who finished second that season in La Liga. Inter Milan won it that season with Ronaldo upfront so you had the best striker in the world back then not even playing CL football.

After CWC got disbanded the Uefa/Europa became too bloated and too long a tournament so that's when it got devalued and champions league was percieved at least by English clubs as the only european competition to bother with.

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