Sid4ever Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 IIRC, English clubs such as Shrewsbury and Chester, clubs on the border could enter, but did not get European football when they won it, as they were not Welsh clubs, think I am right, as I remember Chester winning it a few times and never getting into Europe, where as that filth down the road did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: The Welsh Cup. In which for about the first 100 years of its existence English clubs could play in. And now the biggest teams in Wales are not allowed to be in it. Because they play in English leagues. That makes sense somewhere. UEFA rule change, 2012. Barry used to play in the english cups, some big games over the years against QPR and Reading and the likes. Then we all had to pick a side and stick to it. Welsh league teams now play in one of the Scottish cups that doesn’t have Europe as a prize. I’d love an away cup game against Alloa or Patrick thistle or Arbroath, that sounds like a proper weekend outing. Shrewsbury won the Welsh Cup in about the ‘80’s, Oswestry have won it and pretty sure the likes of Hereford and Kidderminster have won it. For a long time it was seen as geographically a north Wales and Midlands competition. I think the likes of Crewe played in it long before southern teams did. It had been going about 30 years before any South Wales teams got involved. The rules were quite rightly changed once it included qualification for Europe via national league structures. I think that makes sense. But those new rules came in for the 2012 season. The last time one of those ‘big clubs’ were even in the final was ‘94 when Cardiff lost to Barry. But I do miss those games against Cheltenham or Yeovil, Stroud, Rushden, Nuneaton, Dudley, Bromsgrove... a good laugh, though weirdly of all the places, Cheltenham fans saw themselves as some sort of hooligan ultras. Cheltenham! We’d play teams from around Birmingham suburbs and Coventry and Leicester and Bury all perfectly fine. Then you’d rock up in **** Cheltenham and they’d think they were international casuals. That turned in to a bit of a rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Sid4ever said: IIRC, English clubs such as Shrewsbury and Chester, clubs on the border could enter, but did not get European football when they won it, as they were not Welsh clubs, think I am right, as I remember Chester winning it a few times and never getting into Europe, where as that filth down the road did. Out of curiosity, who are the filth down the road? Just seeing if I agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid4ever Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, chrisp65 said: Out of curiosity, who are the filth down the road? Just seeing if I agree... Probably not, they are from North Wales, Wrexham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sid4ever said: Probably not, they are from North Wales, Wrexham Meh, you’re right, I’ve actually got almost no opinion on them, they just don’t register. ...consults notes... last time we played them we beat them in a cup final too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 8 hours ago, tom_avfc said: I wasn't alive in 1989 but I've seen footage and I'd argue that the Aguero game was more dramatic than the 1989 title win. The City game was drifiing towards a win for QPR with Man City fans leaving as the game reached stoppage time. I'm not sure anybody could have envisaged a two goal swing within stoppage time to rescue the title. In fact that game had just about everything - City took the lead at which point it looked a formality. Then a spirited and unlikely QPR comeback to lead. And the stoppage time at the end of the game just topped up one of the most dramatic and ridiculous football games anybody will ever see. I think its just different eras. 1989 was 1st vs 2nd in the climax.... Arsenal had to win by 2 clear goals to win the title. Liverpool hadn't lost by 2 goals at home in a long time... they were the dominant force in English football at the time and reeling from Hillsborough only a few weeks previous, like most of the country was. It was an emotional time. City were playing a poor team at home that they should have dispatched easy. Yes, the 2 injury time goals were fantastic and the turnaround memorable, but IMO the mountain Arsenal had to scale was huge. I think commentators reactions play a huge part as well.... Tyler and his "Aguerooooooooo" was far more animated than the 89 commentary (was it Brian Moore?). People remember that as well. I think if a similar scenario to 89 happened today, it would be classed as the best ever finish to a season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 16, 2020 On this day in 1966 - Pet Sounds released. I wonder how many times @rjw63 has heard it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On this day in 1987. The first FA Cup final I remember. This was peak FA Cup time. One of the biggest days of the year for sports fans. The old Wembley was so much more of a memorable arena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 17th May 1943. Allied attack on German dams... aka the Dambusters attack by 19 Lancaster bombers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 14/05/2020 at 13:39, chrisp65 said: pretty sure the likes of Hereford and Kidderminster have won it Harriers were losing finalists twice in the 80s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 17, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 12/05/2020 at 20:49, VILLAMARV said: Rather than choose a new song to perform or change the lyrics (as the Rolling Stones and the Doors on Ed Sullivan would agree to do), a young Bob Dylan walked off the set of the country’s highest-rated variety show. Going back to this... that bit there doesn't really tell the real story of The Doors on the Ed Sullivan Show Yes they agreed to change the line "Girl, we couldn't get much higher" to "Girl, we couldn't get much better" in Light My Fire, the shows producers thought, Drugs, hell No! and this is what happened. Banned from the Ed Sullivan Show forever So yes they agreed to it but did they change it? Did they hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 17.05.1682 Bart Roberts, Bart Ddu, is born in Casnewydd Bach. Working merchant ships, he is captured off the coast of Africa by pirates, joins them, and turns out to be quite good at it. During the golden age of piracy, he was the most successful. He also gets a name check in the book Treasure Island. His pirate flag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 17, 2020 Dylan's 'Blonde on Blonde' released, 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 17, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 17, 2020 Quote The FBI Laboratory weighs in on the “dirty” lyrics of “Louie Louie” Based on outcry from parents who bought into what may have started as an idle rumor, the FBI launched a formal investigation in 1964 into the supposedly pornographic lyrics of the song “Louie, Louie.” That investigation finally neared its conclusion on this day in 1965, when the FBI Laboratory declared the lyrics of “Louie Louie” to be officially unintelligible. No one will ever know who started the rumor that “Louie Louie” was dirty. As written by Richard Berry in 1955, the lyrics revolve around a sailor from the Caribbean lamenting to a bartender named Louie about missing his far-away love. As recorded in crummy conditions and in a single take by the Kingsmen in 1963, lyrics like “A fine little girl, she wait for me…” came out sounding like “A phlg mlmrl hlurl, duh vvvr me” Perhaps it was some clever middle-schooler who started the rumor by trying to convince a classmate that those lyrics contained some words that are as unprintable today as they were back in 1963. Whatever the case, the story spread like wildfire, until the United States Department of Justice began receiving letters like the one addressed to Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and dated January 30, 1964. “Who do you turn to when your teen age daughter buys and brings home pornographic or obscene materials being sold…in every City, Village and Record shop in this Nation?” that letter began, before going on to make the specific assertion that the lyrics of “Louie Louie” were “so filthy that I can-not enclose them in this letter.” Over the course of the next two years, the FBI gathered many versions of the putative lyrics to Louie Louie. They interviewed the man who wrote the song and officials of the record label that released the Kingsmen’s smash-hit single. They turned the record over to the audio experts in the FBI laboratory, who played and re-played “Louie Louie” at 78 rpm, 45 rpm, 33 1/3 rpm and even slower speeds in an effort to determine whether it was pornographic and, therefore, whether its sale was a violation of the federal Interstate Transportation of Obscene Material law. “Unintelligible at any speed” was the conclusion the FBI Laboratory relayed to the investigators in charge on this day in 1965, not quite exonerating “Louie Louie,” but also not damning the tune that would go on to become one of the most-covered songs in rock-and-roll history. May 17th 1965 history.com It did hold the title of most covered song at one point I recall but I also seem to think that was a somewhat dubious claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sid4ever Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 30 years ago today, now I feel old 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Apologies, bit late on these next 2. Both happened on May 26th. 1989 The greatest end to any season... And of course, 7 years earlier, our greatest day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 A day later on the 27th May, last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 29, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Xela said: A day later on the 27th May, last year VT on tour. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1982 Unconditional surrender of Argentine troops on the Falklands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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