snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 hour ago, jon_c said: grand pledges like full employment Was it a grand pledge when Osborne committed the Tory party to target it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 54 minutes ago, snowychap said: Was it a grand pledge when Osborne committed the Tory party to target it? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 13 hours ago, jon_c said: 14 hours ago, snowychap said: Was it a grand pledge when Osborne committed the Tory party to target it? Yes. I agree but isn't this at the heart of a real issue in UK politics? That not only are the Tories remarkably seen as economically competent as a default but also that the same kinds of questions (how the hell are you actually going to afford this and bring it to fruition, for example) are not generally asked, at least as dismissively and skeptically, of the Tories as they are of other parties. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 18, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 minute ago, snowychap said: I agree but isn't this at the heart of a real issue in UK politics? That not only are the Tories remarkably seen as economically competent as a default but also that the same kinds of questions (how the hell are you actually going to afford this and bring it to fruition, for example) are not generally asked, at least as dismissively and skeptically, of the Tories as they are of other parties. Isn't that because they generally don't spend anything only cut things, so even if they do spend people think 'oh its from X, Y or Z cut' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 18, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 18, 2017 Great. Another load of debate about which shit head is the biggest shit head and which shit head we should all vote for, then it'll end up making shit all difference because all the shit heads are the same amount of shit head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 18, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, Stevo985 said: Great. Another load of debate about which shit head is the biggest shit head and which shit head we should all vote for, then it'll end up making shit all difference because all the shit heads are the same amount of shit head. I take it you are looking forward to the shit TV debates then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Tony Blair going to back to Lib Dems and campaign for an anti Brexit vote, which seems like a really great idea for all involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2017 8 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: The FTPA was created simply and only to prevent the Lib Dems holding a gun to the head of the 2010-2015 coalition by threatening a vote of no confidence and flashing their knickers at Labour instead. Its creation was every bit as cynical as its death, and I for one won't miss it (while it may remain on the statute books, it died as a relevant concept today). Whilst you may be correct about its conception, creation and direction, what we have just heard from the Home Secretary is that the Prime Minister absolutely held the view that the Act was a load of old shite. She didn't discuss this with the cabinet. She decided it. She then told Amber Rudd (and maybe one or two others). She then told the cabinet. She then told the country. Oh, and she then tells everyone that she'll be asking the House of Commons to support her motion. I think all of this shows, quite clearly, the utter contempt that our Prime Minister has for parliament, for the electorate, for her cabinet and even for her own party. She's a contemptuous and contemptible piece of shit. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Isn't that because they generally don't spend anything only cut things, so even if they do spend people think 'oh its from X, Y or Z cut' Maybe but I'm not sure all the data support the premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 The couching of the forthcoming general election as a 'Brexit' election (as Tessa Jowell has just done on Newsnight) is grimly stupid. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 18, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 It'll be absolutely touted as a Brexit election. Prominent right wing Twitter gobshites are already brainwashing the gullible masses. In keeping with their editorial tone though, the Mail are a few goose steps further to the right. Seems they wouldn't mind a civil war... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted April 18, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 While I'm here - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said: It'll be absolutely touted as a Brexit election. The media have it nailed there already. Horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: It'll be absolutely touted as a Brexit election. Prominent right wing Twitter gobshites are already brainwashing the gullible masses. In keeping with their editorial tone though, the Mail are a few goose steps further to the right. Seems they wouldn't mind a civil war... **** vile. This should be banned from both sides of the aisle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 18, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2017 Listening to the talking heads on Newsnight right now.... Labour literally have no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, TrentVilla said: Listening to the talking heads on Newsnight right now.... Labour literally have no chance. Listening to the talking heads on Newsnight, the UK has no chance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: **** vile. This should be banned from both sides of the aisle. It may be vile. It shouldn't be banned. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It's toxic, authoritarian rhetoric that genuinely influences millions of people. It's propaganda and in any modern, Western civilisation, this sort of propaganda should be discouraged. Millions of people lap this shit up - it's **** dangerous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, StefanAVFC said: It's toxic, authoritarian rhetoric that genuinely influences millions of people. It's propaganda and in any modern, Western civilisation, this sort of propaganda should be discouraged. Millions of people lap this shit up - it's **** dangerous. Don't disagree - especially that it should be discouraged. I said that it shouldn't be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I guess it would set too dangerous a precedent. We need some sort of non-partisan regulatory committee to sort out the press in this country. They're absolutely vile. It feels like they're provoking, as NV said, a civil war. Nationalism on steroids and if you're a dissenting voice, you're a saboteur. It's 2017 and we're back to this. **** me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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