a m ole Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, MakemineVanilla said: I think "white knight" would be more accurate. The role of the white knight is to protect snowflakes from being exposed to opinions that hurt their feelings. They are usually lefties who join the 'me too' flash-mob when a subject known to trigger snowflakes is aired. there is nothing more snowflake-y than calling someone a snowflake or white knight. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted May 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2017 Sad to see people making political capital from saying the Tories will use the attack to make political capital.. which plainly isn't happening. It does however divert any attention from the actual conversation we should be having about radical Islam and what the election contenders policies are for dealing with it. That doesn't favour or privilege one party over another, both (all) have the opportunity to set out their policy approach for public consideration. It hasn't featured in this campaign yet and it should do. Judge them on that, not what they haven't said or what either side wants to imply the other actually thinks. That just allows them all to keep playing Punch and Judy while avoiding the issue. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Awol said: Sad to see people making political capital from saying the Tories will use the attack to make political capital.. which plainly isn't happening. Who's done that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Awol said: Sad to see people making political capital from saying the Tories will use the attack to make political capital.. which plainly isn't happening. Yep, have to agree with Darren here. Who's doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, a m ole said: there is nothing more snowflake-y than calling someone a snowflake or white knight. That would entirely depend on context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Awol said: Sad to see people making political capital from saying the Tories will use the attack to make political capital.. which plainly isn't happening. It does however divert any attention from the actual conversation we should be having about radical Islam and what the election contenders policies are for dealing with it. That doesn't favour or privilege one party over another, both (all) have the opportunity to set out their policy approach for public consideration. It hasn't featured in this campaign yet and it should do. Judge them on that, not what they haven't said or what either side wants to imply the other actually thinks. That just allows them all to keep playing Punch and Judy while avoiding the issue. Agree with this part, it's a question people time after time avoid talking about or proposing solutions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 after the initial shock of finding out about the attack last night and thinking about the poor people caught up in it's effects, it didn't take long to see how the Tory party would use the events to their advantage, hell just the break in news focus itself is priceless for them and the breathing space it has given may, It;s stopped the momentum that was building up against May in it's tracks, It will also allow May to return to the highly controlled orchestrated speeches,,the stage managed appearences, All designed to show how she is strong stable and a magnificent leader, basically undoing most if not all of the recent unraveling of this pretense that was showing she is anything but this. wonder how easy she'll find it to hide her pleasure at how events have come to her rescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Lots of people all over social media. edit: the post immediately before this being an example. Edited May 23, 2017 by Risso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Dr_Pangloss said: Agree with this part, it's a question people time after time avoid talking about or proposing solutions. katie hopkins proposed a "final solution" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 23, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2017 May's Falklands moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, mockingbird_franklin said: katie hopkins proposed a "final solution" She's really a pathetic creature to use a term such as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, mjmooney said: May's Falklands moment. she, don't say that, you'll be accused of accusing the Tory party of using the events for political gain, c'mon we all know they would never do such a thing, we all know tomorrow Thersa May will go on the telly and say, ah yes where were we, ah yes weak and wobby u-turns, lets get talking about that again Edited May 23, 2017 by mockingbird_franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Risso said: Lots of people all over social media. edit: the post immediately before this being an example. Yes, and on the previous page by DK82, but as you say primarily on social media. It's a very serious issue issue generally but to see the attack itself used to score political points is pretty uncivilised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villaglint Posted May 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2017 I think it's one of those days when everyone is angry and should take a moment before responding to cut everyone a bit of slack. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, villaglint said: I think it's one of those days when everyone is angry and should take a moment before responding to cut everyone a bit of slack. I was thinking the same thing. Let's just give it a rest today, and have the inquest later. As much as we probably need to have these conversations, now isn't the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted May 23, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: it's a question people time after time avoid talking about or proposing solutions. There's two parts to that. Firstly it's really really complicated and there are no solutions. I don't believe the world works like that - "here's a problem" and "here's the nice, neat, solution". So politicians tend to steer away from it a bit, because only an effwit (Nuttals, Hopkins, Trump etc. that's you) would claim to know the solution and be able to implement it and make the problem go away. The other side of it is that absolutely certain to deeply offend large numbers of people and generate knee jerk responses from them, too. And perhaps worsen the situation. Whatever steps will help reduce the scale of the problem are going to take a very long time to have an effect. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xann Posted May 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2017 54 minutes ago, Awol said: ... the Tories will use the attack to make political capital.. which plainly isn't happening... Let's hope it plainly doesn't. The whole circus should be put on hold whilst the children are laid to rest and the election date should be postponed accordingly. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, Xann said: Let's hope it plainly doesn't. The whole circus should be put on hold whilst the children are laid to rest and the election date should be postponed accordingly. They have suspended the campaign for today but allowing it to delay the election is a massive propaganda win for the perpetrator(s). On the practical side it would be a nightmare logistically to reschedule the vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: Especially with stuff like this. I'm not suggesting the obvious conclusion for a minute, but this really couldn't have come at a better time for the Tories or a worse time for Labour. They had the Tories on the ropes. In terms of winning the arguments - yes the tories were on the ropes - in terms of winning votes they weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Awol said: They have suspended the campaign for today but allowing it to delay the election is a massive propaganda win for the perpetrator(s). On the practical side it would be a nightmare logistically to reschedule the vote. I'd say the nation putting everything on hold, with all the creeds and communities being seen to come together to mourn the dead as a propaganda victory for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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