Harry Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I really don't want to part company with another manager but Bruce gives me so little cause for optimism. On paper he is the right man for the job but all the empirical evidence so far suggests a man bereft of ideas and tactics. He exhibits the classic attributes of a failing manager. Retreating into negative tactics to avoid losing. We have been there before too many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, maqroll said: Never liked him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Yes, please, and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Wasn't Wagner interested but put off by 1 year contract? That is a blessing with Bruce though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I would throw a punt on Dean Smith, plays decent football and his Brentford team is overperforming at this moment cant be worse than clown we have now 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Zatman said: I would throw a punt on Dean Smith, plays decent football and his Brentford team is overperforming at this moment cant be worse than clown we have now Could he handle a job as big as villa though ? It's a gamble for me as many managers and indeed players lol good at smaller clubs but come to villa and can't handle the expectation levels and size of the club . wagner and hughton would both be decent shouts but doubt either would come here . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 11 hours ago, jimbojustice said: Literally if we sacked Bruce we start the same cycle that keeps putting us in this place. He needs way more time, we can't keep sacking managers, we need to give them real time to reshape the squad. A million times this. It hasn't worked the past 6 times, why would it work now. He needs time. He took over a totally bollocksed team. Give him a year at LEAST. He has been promoted 4 times. He knows what he is doing. Support the team and the manager rather than this cyclical sack and hire nonsense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 10 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't want a new manager in 2017. Frankly we already have one - Steve Bruce. He hasn't even had half a season. He is new. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Jokanović If we sack Bruce then we need to liven it up with someone who can give us some swash buckling, gung ho and attractive football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Spoony said: Frankly we already have one - Steve Bruce. He hasn't even had half a season. He is new. New and already plenty of time to fail.... which he has done. We gave him a window. He bought some quality (and Johnstone) and the results remain dire. He is not the man to take us to the future. Better to let him go quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted February 12, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2017 56 minutes ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said: Jokanović If we sack Bruce then we need to liven it up with someone who can give us some swash buckling, gung ho and attractive football. Isn't that what RDM gave us? Loads of forwards and battering teams only to concede stupid goals. Huddersfield and Forest at VP spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, S-Platt said: Isn't that what RDM gave us? Loads of forwards and battering teams only to concede stupid goals. Huddersfield and Forest at VP spring to mind. No. We scored about ten goals in eleven/ten games and Jokanovic isn't RDM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 12 hours ago, Zatman said: I would throw a punt on Dean Smith, plays decent football and his Brentford team is overperforming at this moment cant be worse than clown we have now Understands the importance of a successful Aston Villa . A manager we could actually call one of our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, srsmithusa said: New and already plenty of time to fail.... which he has done. We gave him a window. He bought some quality (and Johnstone) and the results remain dire. He is not the man to take us to the future. Better to let him go quickly. And 3 games after it is obviously enough to get a settled team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Have you seen the team formations and selections he had made in those three matches? the players he brought are much better than what he inherited (credit). But he is not using them well or effectively. Or do three loses not count? (On top of no wins this year?) Dont pretend these three loses to horrible teams don't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 it really doesn't matter who the next guy would be, by the end of april people would be asking for him to be replaced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, picicata said: it really doesn't matter who the next guy would be, by the end of april people would be asking for him to be replaced. I don't believe they would if progress was obvious. I don't even think fans would want Bruce out if his turgid tactics and formations were successful, after all a win is a win. However, we're playing an appalling brand of football and losing to teams we really should be beating. Somehow, Bruce has managed to bring in some genuinely attacking players only to deploy negative 532 tactics, stifling their attacking capacity. This is where I believe the fans discontent stems from. Edited February 12, 2017 by theboyangel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 If we are going for someone totally from left field (we won't) then Graham Potter would be a very exiting option. He's currently manager at Östersunds FK in the Swedish top tier Allsvenskan and has since he was appointed before the 2011 taken the team that had just been relegated to the 4th tier of Swedish football to finishing 8th in their first season in the top flight. Would not be surprised if they finish top 5 this season. They play by far the most attractive football in Sweden (sorry all Malmö FF fans) and Potter and his team are very progressive when it comes to training, analyzing data and are amazing at finding hungry players and developing them. And even thou their best players have been poached every season they have gotten better as a team. I have no doubt Potter will go on to bigger and better things if not this summer then the year after. Potter is actually from Solihull and was once a trainee at Birmingham City so he ticks that box. We do so love to get managers with a history at City... Played in the English U21 but never had a great playing career. I've read loads of interviews with him but they are all in Swedish but I managed to find this one in English Due to his lack of experience it would be a gamble, but I think he will go on to be a rather successful manager. I can promise there isn't a team in Sweden who would not want him as manager. And he will get poached by one of the biggest teams in Scandinavia very soon. He is exactly the type of manager I wan't us to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 20 hours ago, Harry said: I really don't want to part company with another manager but Bruce gives me so little cause for optimism. On paper he is the right man for the job but all the empirical evidence so far suggests a man bereft of ideas and tactics. He exhibits the classic attributes of a failing manager. Retreating into negative tactics to avoid losing. We have been there before too many times. Sadly I see it this way too. IF we were to get rid of Bruce for me we need a manager with a track record of good coaching and organisation of a team. See Hull with Silva or Clement at Swansea, Dyche at Burnley as examples of vast improvement in short amount of time due to coaching and work on the training ground. Managers that actually coach players and tactics rather than hoping it all comes together as seems to be case with our past few appointments. Huddersfield in this league maybe as one example too. One can argue Bruce is that guy but it is fast looking that isn't the case, let's hope he proves us all wrong. Last real manager we had of that ilk was probably Martin O'Neil? Even if he had some flaws himself it was evident that team was "coached". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Bruce is a dinosaur with out of date ideas tactically and looks like someone who doesn't really have the capacity to motivate his players. We need someone progressive, who understands that with our players at this level we should be attacking, pressing high and keeping the ball better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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