theboyangel Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Felt sorry for lance stroll getting pipped on the line for second but what a come back by bottas after an awful start to the race. Edited June 25, 2017 by theboyangel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 F1 bottled it today not giving vettell a black flag for dangerous driving. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jimzk5 said: F1 bottled it today not giving vettell a black flag for dangerous driving. It wasn't pretty. hamilton, like him or loathe him, has the right to back the field up as he wants with a safety car finishing. vettel should have been paying more attention. however what he did afterwards was shocking and shitty sportsmanship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, theboyangel said: It wasn't pretty. hamilton, like him or loathe him, has the right to back the field up as he wants with a safety car finishing. vettel should have been paying more attention. however what he did afterwards was shocking and shitty sportsmanship if vettell doesn't get deduced points for what he did today I won't bother watching the rest of the season, disgraceful what he did 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Jimzk5 said: if vettell doesn't get deduced points for what he did today I won't bother watching the rest of the season, disgraceful what he did If you are being serious, you won't be watching the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, brommy said: If you are being serious, you won't be watching the rest of the season. Watching a 4 time f1 championship winner deliberately crash into another driver and only get a a 10 second stop go penalty is enough for me to think f1 wants Ferrari to win and with that action I won't bother watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 45 minutes ago, Jimzk5 said: Watching a 4 time f1 championship winner deliberately crash into another driver and only get a a 10 second stop go penalty is enough for me to think f1 wants Ferrari to win and with that action I won't bother watching I understand your sentiment but, as I understand it, the penalty has been given, (10 second stop-go and 3 penalty points) so he won't be banned for this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Would have been interesting to see what the penalty would have been if he had given Lewis a puncture or caused some damage to his car, Think the only option would have been to black flag him but the stop-go (effectively a 30 second penalty) and 3 points on his licence seems fair enough as no damage was caused. Looked like Arrivabene was telling him not to say anything about it & calm down when he got out of the car during the red flag stoppage. He now has 9 points, 12 points = 1 race ban but he will be back down to 7 points after the next race in Austria so unlikely to be too much of a hindrance to him for the rest of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I didn't watch the race but watched the replays of the Vettel / Hamilton shunt. When Vettel wnet into the back of him he talks both hands off the wheel to give the international driving symbol of "WTF". Then when he comes alongside the car mounted camera shows his left hand come off the wheel to do it again but can't see the right hand... did he steer into Lewis with the right hand or did he take both hands off again and get an unexpected steering to the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Genie said: I didn't watch the race but watched the replays of the Vettel / Hamilton shunt. When Vettel wnet into the back of him he talks both hands off the wheel to give the international driving symbol of "WTF". Then when he comes alongside the car mounted camera shows his left hand come off the wheel to do it again but can't see the right hand... did he steer into Lewis with the right hand or did he take both hands off again and get an unexpected steering to the right? As the track is not a pothole ridden muddy lane and his steering wasn't broken, I don't think his car would have unexpected steered in any direction. I'm not familiar with any previous indiscretions that were similar so I don't know whether Vettel's punishments for this instance are typical or not. I think the 10 second stop-go penalty (in reality about 25 seconds delay) was chosen by the stewards at that race, having viewed the videos and car data and FIA have no retrospective ability, hence their post race award of 3 penalty points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 26 minutes ago, brommy said: As the track is not a pothole ridden muddy lane and his steering wasn't broken, I don't think his car would have unexpected steered in any direction. Its completely viable that the vehicle 'torque steered' into Lewis' car if he had let go with both hands again. Still a major and dangerous error of Sebastian if it was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, Genie said: Its completely viable that the vehicle 'torque steered' into Lewis' car if he had let go with both hands again. Still a major and dangerous error of Sebastian if it was the case. That much torque steer under little acceleration would make the rest of race under race conditions intolerable. I think it is highly unlikely that the second collision was anything but deliberate. It was also very stupid as Vettel would have comfortably won the race given Mercedes' issue with Hamilton's head rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I just had a look on some more replays and it looks like Sebastian still had 1 hand on the wheel anyway so supports to claim he steered into Hamilton rather than the car moved across under acceleration with no hands on the steering wheel. Just a potential theory I had when I watched a clip last night but clearly not the case. SV is coming out of this quite badly in the PR side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, Genie said: I just had a look on some more replays and it looks like Sebastian still had 1 hand on the wheel anyway so supports to claim he steered into Hamilton rather than the car moved across under acceleration with no hands on the steering wheel. Just a potential theory I had when I watched a clip last night but clearly not the case. SV is coming out of this quite badly in the PR side of things. I think SV and a few other drivers, including LH, already have so much money that they don't concern themselves with their PR and are just focussed on winning or the frustrations of not winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zak Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Well i **** love it. Good on ya Seb. I feel like it is something MS would have done and adds some flavour to the very bland recent F1 seasons. I also might be biased as i hate that little cockwomble Hamilton. IMO he has always acted like a spoilt brat. BTW iv just read some things briefly, does hamilton talk/incur about being the bigger man, then also say "Lets take this outside"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If Vettell deliberately steered into Hamilton then it was very stupid as he could have ended his race there and then. The trouble is it difficult to see if the change of direction was a deliberate hand movement or was caused by torque or in the action of turning to gesticulate at Hamilton. F1 needs the Hamilton Mercedez / Vettell Ferrari battle as the last thing it needs at the moment is one team to carry on domination as has happened over the last 5 -6 years with Red Bull and mercs so it is unlikely any retrospective action will be taken against Vettell although I would imagine Charlie wiil be having a little chat at some point in Austria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Regardless of the vettel incident, just how good was it to finally see a proper, exciting race? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 and Hamilton asking Merc openly over the air to send Bottas back to back up Vettel... rest of the season should be epic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 27, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2017 General concensus is that Vettel should have been banned, and it's hard to disagree with that. Hamilton's telemetry proved he didn't brake test. He merely didn't accelerate out of the corner, as is his right as leader in controlling the group. Vettel's was a double brainfart. Rear-ending the leader and then drawing alongside and angling to drive straight into him. I hope we haven't heard the end of it. No doubt the rest of the season will be very spicy now and that's great. But you cannot let that kind of behaviour go basically unchecked in a sport as dangerous as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 27, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2017 Honda bringing a Spec 3 to Austria. Just get it sorted lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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