Nigel Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 The lad needs confidence, time on the pitch and goals. He isnt going to get this in the first team. Maybe he should drop to the reserves for a few weeks to take him out of the spotlight. Seems ridiculous for a 12 million quid striker ut we have to try something. He was simply a passenger yesterday, he offers nothing currently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 Needs to play in a team that play with possesion, move the ball around quickly and open up space. Everything we don't do under Bruce. We lump it forward and fight for the second ball. I see Hogan making some decent runs which is obviously his game, but we never pick him out or take the risk with the pass. We'd rather try and lump it to his head instead. I'd love to know how Bruce and the "team" thought they would get Hogan into games when they thought about signing him. It's almost like they just thought "this guy gets goals let's buy him" with no additional thought whatsoever. We really piss money away. Hogan and Ross Mcormack for what... nearly £30m and our best striker is a guy from the youth setup. What a joke. Steve Round should take a hard look at himself if he approved these signings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) As I've said before. Hogan was signed without both a plan and a clue as to how to get the best out of him. He was basically air dropped into Bruce's shit team with shit kick and rush tactics. He will never perform well in that sort of set up. On top of this he has been unlucky with a handful of niggling injuries, long spells on the bench and as a result has had his confidence clearly destroyed. He's getting slated for being poor yesterday but he barely gets a chance to start (so it's a little unfair, Kodjia has been just as poor in some recent matches) and let's not forget his strike 'partner' Davis was also poor, and so were the rest of the players behind him in midfield, thus not giving him the service he needs. Ultimately he is a poor signing, we massively overpaid and will be lucky to get a fraction of that back. I genuinely believe that under a better manager who plays more progressive, possession based and high press football we'd have seen a totally different player. Edited November 5, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Needs to play in a team that play with possesion, move the ball around quickly and open up space. Everything we don't do under Bruce. We lump it forward and fight for the second ball. I see Hogan making some decent runs which is obviously his game, but we never pick him out or take the risk with the pass. We'd rather try and lump it to his head instead. I'd love to know how Bruce and the "team" thought they would get Hogan into games when they thought about signing him. It's almost like they just thought "this guy gets goals let's buy him" with no additional thought whatsoever. We really piss money away. Hogan and Ross Mcormack for what... nearly £30m and our best striker is a guy from the youth setup. What a joke. Steve Round should take a hard look at himself if he approved these signings. I don't see how you do this successfully with Hogan in the team He can't get in the game, he barely touches the ball and he can't keep the ball well. He does nothing to allow a team to keep possession well and create space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 Just doesn't suit us, he could but not under Bruce. Can deffo see him leaving in Jan for 4 mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, DCJonah said: I don't see how you do this successfully with Hogan in the team He can't get in the game, he barely touches the ball and he can't keep the ball well. He does nothing to allow a team to keep possession well and create space. You need a midfield which are good on the ball with lots of movement like Brentford play. He can obviously score goals, but not in a system we play. We need a focal point to play with his back to goal like Davis, Hogan ain't that. It was embarrassing watching us play long balls to Hogan, but we have no other way of playing. Bruceball. Edited November 5, 2017 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Just now, PieFacE said: You need a midfield which are good on the ball with lots of movement like Brentford play. He can obviously score goals, but not in a system we play. I don't see how that would help him that much, he'd do nothing to help out with the midfield keeping the ball. I also disagree it's obvious he can score goals. The same used to be said about Kozak and like Kozak it's based on one small period during a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 Just now, DCJonah said: I don't see how that would help him that much, he'd do nothing to help out with the midfield keeping the ball. I also disagree it's obvious he can score goals. The same used to be said about Kozak and like Kozak it's based on one small period during a career. His job wouldn't be to help the midfield hold the ball in that setup. It would be to make runs between defenders and for the midfield to find them. Don't understand the Kozak comparison, Hogan has done it in this league with a "lesser" club. Kozak hadn't. For the record I don't rate Hogan at all, I think in the right setup he can be effective, but Bruce will never play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) You could stick Aguero in a Steve Bruce team and he wouldn't get a sniff. Just the wrong type of player for his system. Edited November 5, 2017 by PieFacE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, PieFacE said: You need a midfield which are good on the ball with lots of movement like Brentford play. He can obviously score goals, but not in a system we play. We need a focal point to play with his back to goal like Davis, Hogan ain't that. It was embarrassing watching us play long balls to Hogan, but we have no other way of playing. Bruceball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 I mean look at the majority of the goals here, they come from a midfield "through ball" pass. I don't think I've seen our midfield attempt one of these to Hogan. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, PieFacE said: I mean look at the majority of the goals here, they come from a midfield "through ball" pass. I don't think I've seen our midfield attempt one of these to Hogan. Quite true - was refreshing to see the ball grealish played yesterday to o hare to create the goal - we’ve missed those kind of deft passes Edited November 5, 2017 by Eastie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 It really doesn't matter if he's a good player objectively, or not. He doesn't do anything for us, and that's it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 5, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2017 My theory is that yesterday was his chance. I think Bruce had promised him 90 minutes to prove himself. That's why it was Snodgrass who got the hook and not Hogan before half time. If so he blew it. he was shit again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 Hogans done more damage than good. Remember that blocked goal he did for hourihane? I haven't seen in a position like that since. Worst. Get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 38 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Hogans done more damage than good. Remember that blocked goal he did for hourihane? I haven't seen in a position like that since. Worst. Get rid Don’t worry you will not have long to wait for your wish to come true - I just hope Bruce acknowledges his role in it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Player who thrives on service not thriving when he doesn't get it shocker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 11 hours ago, Stevo985 said: My theory is that yesterday was his chance. I think Bruce had promised him 90 minutes to prove himself. That's why it was Snodgrass who got the hook and not Hogan before half time. If so he blew it. he was shit again. Snodgrass was taken off as he has two cracked ribs and was struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, KHV said: Snodgrass was taken off as he has two cracked ribs and was struggling I'm still not convinced. Bruce started Snodgrass, injured or not. And Snodgrass hadn't exactly had a terrible game up until that point. In fact I think he'd done ok. I think Bruce knew he needed to change things, didn't want to bring Hogan off and knew he could use the ribs as an excuse to bring Snodgrass off. That is, of course, a complete guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Did I dream it but was Hogan playing on the right wing at one point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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